When Did Conservatives Surrender the GOP to Trumpery?

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  1. Wildjoker5

    Wildjoker5 Well-Known Member

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    Nah, they infected blacks with STDs and moved in cocaine and crack into the inner cities to keep blacks in perpetual servitude and bondage of drugs and incarceration.
     
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    I see you've taken your Trumpaganda pill this morning.
     
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    Thanks to our $350 bil gift to china every year they are expanding all over the globe

    I think the entire world is headed for a breakup just as America is breaking up internally

    But at least our laws will not be written in Brussels
     
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    Didn't I just call Trump a life long Democrat? And what I just mentioned are conspiracy theories spewed by black power enthusiast victim pimps. Not to mention many well documented operations already admitted by the CIA about running drugs into America and infecting blacks at Tuskegee with STDs to test penicillin.
     
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    Kennedy Democrats are now Archie Bunkers?

    Progs have gone insane. Keep posting Natty, more so before each election cycle. I want you on stage right beside Maxine Waters/Nancy Pelosi in the role of carnival barker.
     
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    Points taken. But this is not the time to back down on the international stage. The world is crying for leadership. It's never been, in my lifetime, more difficult to manage, but we can't go into a shell by thinking that America first means riding off into the sunset. Globalism is a fact of life.
     
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    The worlds power centers are shifting no doubt, but that's why we have to continue to steak our claim.
     
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    what about it. Pointing out failures in our system and firing them makes America better. Our intelligence has failed time and time again. You yourselves stated there were no WMDs right? Now you support the people who lied to you and attack the guy who wants to make our intelligence agencies work with integrity and correctness. Which is it...is our intelligence good and you were wrong about wmds or are they right and you were wrong?
     
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    Agreed.
     
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    If you believe that, you have an even murkier view of bygone days than I had suspected.

    It sounds as if you swallow the propaganda of your ideological media entertainers whole.

    You can cling to your Maxines and Nancys if that is what you need to do, but they are, obviously, not the "younger, better-educated, more diverse Americans, with women empowered" that are the future.

    Yes, progress happens, and a significant aspect of the nation's progress will be conservatives taking their party back from Trumpery.

    The con man's cult worships him as their "Glorious Leader!" now, but the standards of honesty and decency to which the GOP aspired will reemerge.
     
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    Have traditional conservatives surrendered Trumpery? Not really, but waiting to fight another day. Muted rhetoric from them, certainly. After all Trump is the lesser evil than Hillary Clinton, Warren, a dozen other democratic party socialist progressives. Perhaps this is called live with Trump until a more advantaged battle field can be achieved.

    Sure, Trump king of debt, yep he is. What's the alternative, another Obama who ran up the debt by 10 trillion? Neither party has any right at all to talk about the debt the other has ran up. Neither gives a darn about the debt except to use it for political purposes, i.e. try to get votes from it as the party out of power always does.

    Is it surrender to Trumpery? I'm sure the democrats view it as such. Conservatives aren't going to retake control the republican party today, abiding time seems a good tactic until they have a better shot at it. Mean while, muted rhetoric, yep. After all, Trump is the least worst alternative out there. Much like a majority of Americans voted for the least worst candidate in 2016 or the one they least wanted to lose.

    Surrender, I'm sure it does look like it to the Clintonites, the avid anti-Trumpers. But it is gaining time to regroup and prepare for a future battle that perhaps can be won, one which would be lost today.
     
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    I think you're on to something there. But what views were being suppressed?
     
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    Credibly defending that statement is an impossibility.
     
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    When did the Democrats sell out to socialism? That's a non-starter...
     
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    Who's going to fumigate the Democrats? They reek...
     
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    The GOP went awry during the Clinton (Bill) campaign and never came back. The GOP convention of that year was a horror of hatred and vitriol, Reagan and Ford condemned it. The personal attacks and foul language only increased in coming years. That's when I checked out - I don't dig hatred and bad karma. Unfortunately, Democrats followed the GOP down the rat hole.

    The Dems are staying steady in membership, the GOP is losing to Dems and big time, to Independents. Voters loved Trump when he gave voice to bigotry and racism. He let the base go full out ugly. Most Americans have left Trump now and are appalled at his behavior and performance. The trust is gone. They'll have better options in 2018 and 2020. Dems and Independents have learned from past mistakes and won't repeat the process.

    I look forward to the return of conservatism - decency, accountability, and morality in government, fiscal responsibility, protection of American interests here and abroad, restoration of America as world leader by virtue of moral authority, support of our friends and allies, empathy for the poor and lame, respect toward a free press, election and appointment to office dedicated public servants committed to the American World Order.
     
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    Your personal bias aside, for all Clinton's flaws, she was the choice of 2.8 million more voters at the ballot box, which suggests more Americans preferred even a flawed establishment figure to Trump at a time establishment figures were out of vogue, so many qualified GOP aspirants so easily disposed of by the crass, lying entertainer - aided and abetted by America's media as well as Russian treachery.

    Trying to contrive an equivalency fails.

    As I have noted, I found Trump's cruelly mocking a handicapped reporter (whose transgression was his refusal to back up Trump's fake claim regarding thousands and thousands of folks cheering terrorism in New Jersey) and his insipid boast that his celebrity licensed him to sexually violate women as defining him as morally unfit for office.

    Even after the relentless fatwa waged by partisans in Congress and their ideological propaganda media outlets to smear the likely Democratic nominee, and the fanatics that screamed "Lock her up!, Lock her up!" in a shameless attack upon American due process, she has been convicted of nothing.

    Had Clinton also won the electoral college vote, would all be well? Hardly. However, the US would not be abdicating its global leadership with crackpot claims such as anthropogenic climate change being a Chinese plot, attacking its allies, embracing its enemies, and incarcerating children snatched from their parents.

    In fact, had the narcissist fallen short, he would be whining incessantly, while traditional Republican values of decency and decorum would have prevailed.

    Would Clinton's support with the American people approximate Obama's? Highly unlikely.

    Would it far surpass the consistent, dismal numbers Trump is assigned? It's hard to imagine anyone doing worse.

    The Republican Party will recover from Trumpery, but it will have taken an enormous toll.
     
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    Was Hillary part of the "younger" Americans group?
     
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    Then lets get the rest of the world to start paying us taxes to protect them. But, just as we see that one region in America doesn't hold the same values as another, the same will be true of the rest of the world compared to America. We can't "protect" them from their selves, just as its not the governments job to protect you from yourself.
     
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    Everyone was once younger, but, if you are asking, will Hillary Clinton among the "younger, better-educated, more diverse Americans, with women empowered, that are the future?"

    No.

    Fixating on the past is futile.
     
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    So you mean the socialist from NYC, Cortez? She seems very educated with things like "Unemployment is so low cause everyone is working 2 jobs".
     
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    Interesting local phenomena but hardly projectable nationally. And, it won't be. The 2018 elections are all about local issues.
     
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    Drama queen? Then you must be the naive queen. We gain a lot also for the working middle class in that they will pay less for goods
    that are imported. This buy American policy of Trump's will cost you plenty when there is no competition and prices of American made products will skyrocket due to tariffs.
     
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    And you will pay a huge price for that and then wonder what happened.
     
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    The flock supports Trump because they are naive, uninformed and are easily conned.
     

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