When The Russian Hoax Is Exposed, Should The Democrats Be Held Accountable?

WTF is that supposed to mean? You have no idea.

Cherry picking text messages out of context is about as stupid and dishonest as it gets.

These two agents gossiped about EVERYONE...and snarky gossip is about all these texts are

 

He also said he had no financial involvement with the Russians...also a lie

 

You said "We have 17 different intelligence agencies who are saying that Russia was attempting to interfere with our elections?"

Your insistence that 17 different intelligence agencies said that is incorrect. I'm just pointing out your error, which you make over and over and over.

 

1. Did the Director of National Intelligence put out a statement on behalf of the USIC declaring that Russia tried to interfere with our elections?
2. Is the USIC a collective body of 17 different intelligence agencies?

If the answer to both questions is yes, then there is no in my post. The error in your argument is you admit that the statement was made by the head of the USIC on behalf of the USIC, but refuse to acknowledge that the USIC represents 17 agencies (note, no one is saying there were 17 investigations, or 17 different conclusions)

 

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Four out of the 17 were involved in the January assessment about Russia: CIA, FBI, NSA and ODNI (the Office of the Director of National Intelligence), which is an umbrella agency that oversees all 17 organizations. "In this context, the assessments that count the most are those of CIA, NSA, FBI and ODNI."

 

The Democratic Party never filed any charges. And if you can be convicted just for having the opinion that someone else did something illegal, lock Trump up for his birther accusations.

 

We're not talking about the January assessment, we're talking about the joint statement made by the Director of National Intelligence on behalf of the USIC (a federation of 17 different intelligence agencies) from the October prior. Did you not read the fact check I shared?

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...y-clinton-blames-russia-putin-wikileaks-rele/

 

James Clapper's testimony in October 2016 claimed, "The U.S. Intelligence Community (USIC) is confident" in its assessment. As we noted in the article, the 17 separate agencies did not independently come to this conclusion, but as the head of the intelligence community, the Office of the Director of National Intelligence speaks on behalf of the group". Playing on semantics does not make you right.

 

I already clarified that there were not 17 separate investigations, nor were there 17 independent conclusions in post #63, post #67, post #91, post #121, post #134, post #349, post #352, post #572, post #618, #644, post #653, post #673, post #892, and post #905 (which is on this very page, yet you somehow missed). In fact, at no point has anyone in this thread (myself included) said that there were 17 separate investigations, or that the 17 agencies independently came to the conclusion, and as noted in the quote you posted from the fact checker, the Director speaks on behalf of the USIC (which is a federation of 17 different intelligence agencies).

 

No..........saying yes to those questions (which you've asked and I've answered probably two dozen times in this thread) has nothing to do with "17 different intelligence agencies who are saying that Russia was attempting to interfere with our elections. " Since quite obviously, "17 different intelligence agencies" did NOT say that.

It's so simple that only the most ideologically blind partisan would not still be saying "17 different intelligence agencies who are saying that Russia was attempting to interfere with our elections" when it's clear that's not true.

 

Actually, the USIC being a federation of 17 different agencies has everything to do with the use of the phrase "17 different agencies". You acknowledge that the USIC is in fact a collective body of 17 different agencies and that the Director of National Intelligence speaks on behalf of the USIC, yet you still insist that this has "nothing to do" with the use of phrase "17 different agencies".

Your argument is irrational

 

No, my argument is not only based in reason, it's based in language.

"17 different intelligence agencies who are saying that Russia was attempting to interfere with our elections."

At no point did 17 different intelligence agencies make any determination one way or the other. It's simply a false statement to claim otherwise, as you've done for months.

 

I think all Republicans, including members of this forum, should be held liable for working day & night to cover up & ignore & disregard the crimes committed by Flynn, Kushner, Page, Manafort, and even possibly Trump.

 

It really is reprehensible what they're trying to do. Partei über alles!

 

so now its possibly trump? What happened?

 

im not sure Trump is intelligent enough to collude with the Russians, let alone find his anus.

 

The following quote represents 17 different intelligence agencies

"The U.S. Intelligence Community (USIC) is confident that the Russian Government directed the recent compromises of e-mails from US persons and institutions, including from US political organizations"

Once again, the Director of National Intelligence speaks on behalf of the USIC, which is a federation of 17 different intelligence agencies, hence why the fact checkers agree with me and not you..

 

Yet the major players admitted only 3 were involved.

 

Referring to the January assessment, NOT the October statement. Once again


http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...y-clinton-blames-russia-putin-wikileaks-rele/

 

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Just how many ways are you parsing that statement. The ODNI does include under it's umbrella 17 agencies, but you admit that only 3 reported the information. You know that you've knowingly attempted to inflate the results and have been caught. Then again that is typical of the Left. I'd say that you've been hoisted by your petard and are still struggling and kicking over it.

 

The statement wasn't made on behalf of the ODNI, it was made on behalf of the USIC

"The U.S. Intelligence Community (USIC) is confident that the Russian Government directed the recent compromises of e-mails from US persons and institutions, including from US political organizations"

Note, this is not my phrasing, this is the phrasing used by the Director himself. No one in this thread has inflated the Director's words, it is my words that are being inflated. I never stated, nor intended to state that there were 17 different investigations from the 17 agencies that make up the USIC, I was merely stating that the joint statement made on behalf of the USIC represents 17 different agencies.

This is in reference to the Director's October statement, and NOT the January assessment reported by 3 agencies that you keep referring to. The January assessment represented 3 agencies, but the October statement represented the entire USIC.

 

But once again, 17 intelligence agencies had nothing to do with the report. It's amazing that even though you understand that, you don't care. You would rather be made a fool of over and over than admit, like so many news agencies already have, that you are wrong.

 

WOW...is this idiotic argument still going on?

Mikey...get over it. Nobody cares...

 

I dont think there is any question that the US intelligence community (and leaders of the Republican party) believe Russia tried to interfere with the election. They would not tolerate the Mueller probe if they did not