Where Is The “Climate Emergency”?

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    Neither droughts nor floods are made worse by rising temperatures.
    New Studies Find No Global Drought Trend Since 1902…Global Flood Magnitudes Decline With Warming
    By Kenneth Richard on 14. August 2023

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    Anthropogenic Global Warming (AGW) is claimed to intensify hydrological processes. Data analysis indicates it does not.
    A paradigm has emerged in recent decades that says there has been and/or will be a worsening of hydrological extremes as a consequence of global warming.

    Simplified, the paradigm says that wet gets wetter (flooding) and dry gets drier (drought).

    But new global data analyses suggest (a) no trends in drought in the last 120 years (Shi et al., 2022), and (b) declining flood magnitudes as the climate warms (He et al., 2022).

    With regard to drought, the global trends indicate there has actually been a de-intensification of meteorological (climate-related) drought from 1959-2014 relative to to 1902-1959.

    “The results revealed that: 1) meteorological drought in most climate regions intensified during 1902–1958 but showed a wetting trend during 1959–2014.”

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    Image Source: Shi et al., 2022
    And, likewise, flood magnitudes have not just been flat, but they have been declining as the climate has warmed.

    “We find most of the world shows decreases in flood volumes with increasing temperature.”

    “[O]bservational records often present more evidence for a decrease in annual flood maxima.”

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    Image Source: He et al., 2022
     
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    No Significant Precipitation Trend Change In Germany Since Recordings Began In 1881
    By P Gosselin on 18. August 2023

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    More drought and more extreme rainfall are occurring : that’s what Germans are often told by the climate hysterical media and activists. Yet, a look at precipitation data for Germany over the past 140 years shows no significant change at all.

    Hat-tip: Tim Reality at Twitter

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    The above chart shows the mean amount of precipitation for Germany from 1881 – 2019. Source: Tim Reality here.

    A look at extreme precipitation events as defined as 30 mm of precipitation or more also show no trend increase in extreme events:[​IMG]

    Based on the weather data from 78 measurement stations of the German DWD national weather service. Chart: Spiegel

    Finally we look at the number of days in a year that saw 10 mm or more rain, since 1950:

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    There’s been a slight but still statistically insignificant increase in very rainy days. Source: Tim Reality at Twitter.
     
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    Climate change can not be measured to make any significant conclusions over the last few decades or even a couple hundred years. Anyone attempting to do so, by using temporary spikes, is promoting an agenda.
     
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    Martha Stewart Exposes the Ignorance of Climate Alarmists

    August 30th, 2023
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    Martha Stewart with her “iceberg” cocktail and the chunk of ice it presumably came from. (Martha Stewart/Instagram)
    Martha Stewart, the American home-and-hospitality retail businesswoman, television personality and writer, has been on a cruise around Greenland, where she had a chunk of ice (presumably calved from the Greenland ice sheet) brought aboard to provide ice for adult beverages.

    Cue the climate alarmists, who considered such an action to be tone deaf regarding the seriousness of the climate crisis.

    What, you might ask, does fishing a chunk of ice out of the ocean next to the Greenland ice cap have to do with the “climate crisis”?

    Well, in some people’s minds (I know because I’ve met a few of them), ice calving off of the Greenland ice sheet is due to global warming.

    Wrong.

    The Antarctic and Greenland ice sheets are locations which are so cold for so much of the year, with enough snowfall, that come summer not all of the snowfall melts. This leads to a net accumulation of ice over the centuries and millennia. That’s what causes a “glacier” to form.

    As the ice sheet deepens over the centuries, gravity starts to make the ice flow downhill, like very thick molasses. It then breaks off when it reaches the coast, floating away, and melting.

    Everything I described above has nothing to do with global warming. Most scientists believe it has been going on for millions of years.

    So, along comes Martha Stewart, at 82 years old just trying to enjoy life, and she gets global backlash for plucking a chunk of ice out of the ocean to cool her drink down.

    What are they teaching kids in school these days???
     
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    dgrichards writes at post # 326,

    Haw Haw Haw Haw Haw......, you can't even tell the truth about sources in the article which are easy to see and read.

    No, it is YOUR post that exposes your lack of honesty because you couldn't have read post one article at all as you amazingly missed all these listed sources found in the article that is easy to see as listed below:

    NASA (Several times), EMDAT (several times), University of Colorado, Nature (several times), JMA, China Meteorological Agency, NOAA (several times), Various published papers, IPCC (several times), BOM, Earth Science Reviews, IMBIE (several times), Finnish Meteorological Institute, Rutgers Snow Labs, United Nations (several times), Berkely Earth, Canadian National Fire Database, Time Magazine, New York Times, NCEI, The Australian, IUCN, World Bank, The Lancet, UK Government, WSJ, EPA and a few more you never read in the article.

    Examples:

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    You have no excuse for your laziness and falsehoods you made against the article that is loaded with credible baseline source.

    When are you going start being honest?

    LINK
     
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    Welcome back, old friend.
     
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    Here is an interseting synopsis on the Climate debate being even the most respected scientific articles end up being biased due to editors going for click bait. That is unfortunate that even the common man interested in searching for scientific evidence can be led astray. Sure, the articles are a legit source for evidence and I believe in climate change, but the evidence is fallible due to 80% of fires being cause by more mentally stable humans and the effect of forest management rebuilding forests. It must be hard to promote the art of science without deviating from your research. Maybe change isn't as bad as advertised, but can still harmful change on a lower spectrum than what is being advertised to the masses.

    https://www.thefp.com/p/i-overhyped-climate-change-to-get-published

     
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    Veteran Meteorologist Joe Bastardi: “We Got A Cold Winter Coming Up For Europe”
    By P Gosselin on 29. October 2023

    Snowfan here reports how the ECMWF expects up to 3 meters of fresh snow in the Alps by the 7th of November.

    Meanwhile, Joe Bastardi also sees signs that Europe’s winter will likely be a cold one (normal to below-normal)

    First we look at snowfall for the Alps over the next 10 days:

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    Image cropped at Kachelmannwetter.

    This would mean an early start to the ski season.

    According to Snowfan, Europe in 2023 so far has been widespread wet and Northern Europe has been quite cold.

    Winter to follow period of heavy precipitation

    And at his latest Saturday Summary here, Joe Bastardi warns of a “major stratospheric warming event” shaping up over the Arctic for December, which “really ups the ante for the winter”.

    As for Europe, heavy rains are forecast for the early part of November, and Joe thinks this is a signal for cold weather will follow, similar to 2009:

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    Cropped from WeatherBell

    “I think the next 2 months, November and December, are below normal overall,” says Joe. “We got a cold winter for Europe this year.”

    So stay tuned. Joe plans to present his next winter forecast update next Saturday.

    In the meantime, my firewood is ready and dry.
     
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    HA HA HA HA HA

    missed this one but it is full of crap as your link avoids showing the true CURRENT state of the Summer Sea Ice because it stopped declining 16 years ago because it probably reached a new stable state.

    There are a number of published papers showing that there have been long periods of time of little to ZERO summer sea ice earlier in the interglacial yet nothing terrible happened and the Polar Bears are still here.

    Meanwhile the Arctic Summer Sea Ice wasn't covered in the article thus you didn't address a single thing of the article as it isn't a climate emergency anyway.

    The Article Content thus remains unchallenged...... again!
     
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    Enjoy the graph …...
    https://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/arctic-sea-ice/

    The NASA graph shows otherwise …..
    https://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/arctic-sea-ice/

    Yeah, the article only mentions “Arctic” 20 times. Count them.

    You’re funny. The science is completely against you.
     
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    Read what I wrote better next time:


    YOUR link showing a CHART that shows no more decline after 2007 the minimums are shown in YOUR link.

    2007: 4.16

    2023: 4.37

    Which is bigger....?

    Thank you for destroying YOUR own claim with your own link you didn't read much.

    You didn't show the decline is a valid measure to declare a "Climate Emergency" anyway since it has happened a number of times before in the interglacial period which didn't generate anything awful and the Polar Bears and the Eskimos, Inuit's and other tribal Humans in the far North are still here today a fact you ignored.

    You’re funny. The LINK is completely against you......

    Meanwhile you ignored 100% of the article because you can't address it.

    The article remains unchallenged again!
     
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    From Science Matters is a nice coverage on the Arctic Sea Ice:

    2023 September Arctic Outlook and Results Not Scary
    Posted on 22 Days Ago by Ron Clutz

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    The graph above shows the monthly averages for September Arctic ice extents including 2023 compared to previous years back to 2007. This year is slightly below the 17 year average of 4.63M km2; MASIE shows 4.43M and SII shows 4.37. For comparison the 2007 September values were 4.30M for MASIE and 4.27M for SII. The predictions below refer to the SII value.

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    Both MASIE and SII shows an oscillating but stable flat trend since 2007.
     
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    Nice work. Looks like that 12% was a cherry-picked AGWorrier trick.
     
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    Right right right.
    He said "the true CURRENT state of the Summer Sea Ice because it stopped declining 16 years ago because it probably reached a new stable state.”

    The graph shows a decline in the last 16 years.

    Yeah I really screwed up. Yup.
     
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    Since when do we focus only on the troughs and not the average trend? You want the climate to perform consistently with no anomalies and no variations? And you think that is a “scientific” method? LOL!!!!! Put those two errors together and you have your bogus “science” revealed.


    Thank you for not understanding science and the proper use of mean. median, and mode.

    Science has refuted bogus manipulation of the data long ago. Your anti-climate change articles and opinions are long dead.
     
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    Read again your link which is where I got these numbers from:

    2007: 4.16 is the minimum that year

    2023: 4.37 is the minimum this year.

    Which number is bigger? Snicker......

    Meanwhile POST ONE article remains unchallenged.
     
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    Wow not a single claim you make is supported by you do you enjoy making things up?

    Here are the following numbers for every year from 2007 to 2023 from YOUR link:

    2007- 4.16
    2008- 4.59
    2009- 5.12
    2010- 4.52
    2011- 4.34
    2012- 3.39
    2013- 5.05
    2014- 5.03
    2015- 4.43
    2016- 4.17
    2017- 4.67
    2018- 4.66
    2019- 4.19
    2020- 3.82
    2021- 4.72
    2022- 4.67
    2023- 4.37

    It is clear you don't know how to read the chart YOU provided as the trend is obviously very little, when are you going to stop fighting your own link?

    Meanwhile you completely ignored Post 693, are you afraid of it where it goes into far more discussion of the numbers than your link does where it shows the average year since 2007 is shown below the chart in MY link,

    "The graph above shows the monthly averages for September Arctic ice extents including 2023 compared to previous years back to 2007. This year is slightly below the 17 year average of 4.63M km2; MASIE shows 4.43M and SII shows 4.37. For comparison the 2007 September values were 4.30M for MASIE and 4.27M for SII. The predictions below refer to the SII value."

    bolding mine

    Yet another trembling with fear over Post One article which again you stay away because you KNOW you can't address it.

    Post One article remains unchallenged.

    HA HA HA HA HA
     
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    I SAW that but I SAID you don’t seem to know how to evaluate graphs!

    And BTW for the last time, “POST ONE” is bogus fake “science” by climate deniers. Science has refuted such things and I’m not going to jump through your hoops for something that is established science. Read some real science and give up the bogus crap if you want information.
     
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    Sorry, but your link makes his point.
     

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