Which part of the US will succumb, to SEA LEVEL RISE, first?

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  1. bobgnote

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    Some think NOLA goes down, first.

    Others think Virginia and North Carolina areas will go under, next.

    Other people think Florida will be swamped, since it has been suffering a drought, and when it gets flooded, sink-holes form, to collapse, under whatever wash-over comes along.

    Let's get this started, since here comes SLR!

    Scientists warn US east coast over accelerated sea level rise | Environment | guardian.co.uk

    Sea level rise is accelerating three to four times faster along the densely populated east coast of the US than other US coasts, scientists have discovered. The zone, dubbed a "hotspot" by the researchers, means the ocean from Boston to New York to North Carolina is set to experience a rise up a third greater than that seen globally.

    Asbury Sallenger, at the US geological survey at St Petersburg, Florida, who led the new study, said: "That makes storm surges that much higher and the reach of the waves that crash onto the coast that much higher. In terms of people and communities preparing for these things, there are extreme regional variations and we need to keep that in mind. We can't view sea level rise as uniform, like filling up a bath tub. Some places will rise quicker than others and the whole urban corridor of north-east US is one of these places."

    The hotspot had been predicted by computer modelling, but Sallenger said: "Our paper is the first to focus on using real data to show [the acceleration] is happening now and that we can detect it now."

    The rapid acceleration, not seen before on the Pacific of Gulf coasts of the US, may be the result of the slowing of the vast currents flowing in the Altantic, said Sallenger. These currents are driven by cold dense water sinking in the Arctic, but the warming of the oceans and the flood of less dense freshwater into the Arctic from Greenland's melting glaciers means the water sinks less quickly. That means a "slope" from the fastest-moving water in the mid-Atlantic down to the US east coast relaxes, pushing up sea level on the coast.

    "Coastal communities have less time to adapt if sea levels rise faster," said Stefan Rahmstorf, at the Potsdam Institute Germany, who published a separate study in the same journal, Nature Climate Change, on Sunday. Rahmstorf's team showed that even relatively mild climate change, limited to 2C, would cause global sea level to rise between 1.5 and 4 metres by the year 2300. If nations acted to cutting carbon emissions so the temperature rise was only 1.5C, the sea level rise would be halved, the researchers found.

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    Yeah, right. They keep bandying carbon trade, when CO2-biomass needed to be here, yesterday, in at least the form of legal hemp and widely grown switchgrass. But noooo! We have private insurer Obamneycare, and it might go under, before Florida does. No party supports industrial hemp, despite Ford's manufacture of ethanol and plastic, from hemp, since the Model T. See YouTube, for his 1941 hemp plastic car, which can be sledged.

    You can't do that, to a Corvette, can you! But if the Hemp Stamp Tax Act of 1938, a Democratic Party showpiece gets declared unconstitutional, in 1972, that will be when Nixon founds the DEA, and all occasional Democratic majorities and Presidential administrations refuse to attack this world-wide debacle, started by Democrats.

    We need a re-greening plan, for every desert, and for every polluted land and water area, in the world. But noooo. We have support for fascist Israel, Taiwan, Bahrain, and other tyrants, with drones killing, but defense money, running out, while poisonous fracking is debated, and it is neither regulated nor banned, outright, like it ought to be.

    Humans are not smart men, or women, generally, where various Obamney-geeks predominate. We need to cut the carbon footprint, of fascism and special-interest socialists, to achieve re-greening.

    Who's going down? Review it, here. But Virginia and North Calinkey pubs won't let Democrats or anybody else call it SLR, which we should also review, while going down, to higher tides.

    First, the Democrats gave us a plague, of government. They followed this, with a plague, of Republicans. What comes NEXT is climate change, part of which will be SEA LEVEL RISE. Get ready.
     
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    lol.......
     
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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Current_sea_level_rise

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    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/14/s...sing-sea-levels-a-risk-to-coastal-states.html

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    http://green.blogs.nytimes.com/

    http://green.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/03/14/weighing-the-risk-of-sea-level-rise/?ref=earth

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    Shizzlicious:

    http://iopscience.iop.org/1748-9326/7/1/014033/pdf/1748-9326_7_1_014033.pdf

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    http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/science/topics/globalwarming/index.html


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    Global emissions of carbon dioxide jumped by the largest amount on record in 2010, upending the notion that the brief decline during the recession might persist through the recovery. Emissions rose 5.9 percent in 2010, according to the Global Carbon Project, an international collaboration of scientists. The increase solidified a trend of ever-rising emissions that scientists fear will make it difficult, if not impossible, to forestall severe climate change in coming decades.

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    NOBODY WILL ESCAPE THIS PROBLEM.
     
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    http://www.sfgate.com/science/article/Global-sea-level-rise-could-hit-California-hard-3657131.php


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    NOBODY WILL ESCAPE THIS PROBLEM!
     
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    http://iopscience.iop.org/1748-9326/7/1/014032/article

    Modelling sea level rise impacts on storm surges along US coasts


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    Figure 1. Simulated global temperature anomalies (compared to pre-industrial baseline, i.e., 1880 through 1920) which enter the computations of current and future rates of sea level rise according to VR09's semi-empirical model. Units of degrees C.


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    Figure 2. Sea level rise (mean estimate from 19 models temperature projections, under 6 scenarios and for 3 carbon cycle parameter settings) over the period 2008–50 at 55 tide gauges. Units of metres.


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    Figure 3. Maximum likelihood estimates of return levels, or heights, for 100 yr events. Units are metres above MHW, with MHW computed with respect to gauge epoch (1983–2001 for most gauges).


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    Figure 4. For the ensemble average estimate of relative SLR at each gauge, projected return periods, by 2050, for floods currently qualifying as 100 yr events.


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    Nobody escapes this problem, folks! The storms will get worse.

    Well, now! We just have to go out and get some "dynamical" models, since this SLR problem is liable to get out of control, in one quick hurry.
     
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    See how the following graph leaves a tolerance, for the curve, to show acceleration, of SLR? Acceleration of SLR could very well happen, given runaway global warming, which will probably happen, given runaway stupidity, by all kinds of people, particularly by Democrats and Republicans, in the US:


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    With a six-meter SLR, we will need a new map:

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    Somebody is vulnerable:

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    Here is an adorable graph, which doesn't even account, for ACCELERATING GHGs! If out-gassing really ACCELERATES, and seas warm, so they out-gas even more CH4 and CO2, warming and SLR will get EVEN WORSE, than this graph shows:

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    NOBODY, but nobody WILL ESCAPE THIS PROBLEM!
     
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    AGW and hemp. LOL
     
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    . . . and algae and switchgrass. We also need botanical engineers to re-green deserts and polluted areas. Got RESOURCES?

    Nope. You don't have VALUE, either. If you were laughing out loud, while working for the government, we should get a tax break.

    Got AGW and climate change? Yep.
     
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    I start liking MannieD...

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    Granny says we all gonna drown...
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    Satellites trace sea level change
    24 September 2012 - Scientists have reviewed almost two decades of satellite data to build a new map showing the trend in sea levels. Globally, the oceans are rising, but there have been major regional differences over the period.
     
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    All those flooded hemp fields...
     
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    Cutting Short-Lived Pollutants, not CO2, Slows Sea Level Rise...
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    Report: Cutting Short-Lived Pollutants Slows Sea Level Rise
    April 14, 2013 : There's still time to slow the rising of sea levels around the world, according to a new report from climate scientists, and their strategy does not focus on carbon dioxide.
     
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    Liberals! Well both coasts are mostly liberal, I do not see what the big deal is!
     
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    OK, now this is directly from your reference. And I would like to have something explained to me please.

    Now as far as I am aware, Sea Level is a global standard. Sea Level in New York is the same as Sea Level in India. The Pacific Ocean is at the same level as the Atlantic and Indian Oceans.

    So pardon me if I seem stupid here, but how is the sea going to rise higher off of California then it is elsewhere?

    Of course, I have never put much value in such claims anyways. After all, if not for "global warming" and "sea level rise", the coast of Northern California would still look like this:

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    Factors influencing sea level include temperature of the water, salinity of the water, ocean currents and atmospheric pressure. Because these factors vary in places, all sea level is not the same. Just think of the Panama Canal with its series of locks which allow ships to travel between the Pacific and Atlantic ocean. Because of the difference in sea level between the oceans, the locks make it possible to travel from one ocean to another.
     
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    OK, pardon me a moment while I repeatedly smash my head into the floor.

    "Difference in sea level between the oceans"? OMG, are you really serious?

    If this is the comprehension level that is the norm among those that believe in man-made global warming, no wonder none of their claims make any sense to me.

    The reason for the locks is to raise ships over the mountains, then lower them on the other side. The 2 oceans are at the exact same level.

    Sea Level!

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    Good! Keep smashing your head against the floor. Maybe it'll create a hole that will allow knowledge to enter your brain.
    Comprehension level indeed. You might want to educate yourself instead of claiming you know it all. Typical denier; just because you don't understand, it can't be true.
    I know any link I give yo will just be ignored but here's one anyway:
    Wiki
    And there is also the difference in tides on the 2 sides of the isthmus. If you don't believe that, you can look at a tide timetable for the two sides; maybe that'll convince you (but I doubt it).
     
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    "Slightly lower". Enough to cause rises of several meters? To require the need of locks to allow ships to pass through?

    It is your own reference which says "slightly", and this slight is well known to many like me that lives around a bay. The choke of the bay delays and exaggerates tides to a degree. But not enough to cause differences in meters from one ocean to another.
     
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    I thought you wanted an explanation of why sea level would rise by different amounts in various places. If I had known you already had the (wrong) answer, I would not have bothered. You can continue to believe that sea level is the same all over the globe and that the world is flat. Or you can actually open your mind and learn something. I really don't care which path you take.
    I'm done here.
     
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    The continental shelf.
     
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    Then kindly explain to me how the sea level will rise more in California then it will anywhere else.
     
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    With all the dead weight of Treehuggers pressing it down, the US is sinking below sea level anyway.
     
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    Yes because we all know the gulf states are true to the heart Democrats :eyepopping:
     

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