White house to crack down on Rec. Marijuana

Exactly. If the FEDS go after legal pot the states will take them to court and the FEDS will need to show that the public policy clearly overrides the words in the commerce clause and 10th.

 

Already been to the courts.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gonzales_v._Raich

Goes as far back as

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wickard_v._Filburn

Where a court held that a farmer growing wheat to feed his own livestock falls under the commerce clause.

That's what you get with this Living breathing Constitution that means whatever the current judges say it means. It really is BS. Back when the Federal government decided to ban alcohol, they knew they had to enact a constitutional Amendment in order to give the Federal government the authority to do so. Because the Constitution granted no such authority to do so

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gonzales_v._Raich

 

Not sure. We got healthcare and marriage law the majority didn't want and were forced to comply. I think that is why it's important to have constitutionalist on our supreme court. There are things the federal government should not be governing but do.

 

Of course they would. This nonsense that illegals do the work Americans aren't willing to do is absurd. Its work Americans wont do at the same pay rate that illegals are willing to do the job. Americans are more than willing to do those jobs at an appropriate payrate. Millioms of illegal laborers drives that payrate down.
Back in the 70s you could look at any home construction site and the workers were almost all white Americans with a small percentage of blacks. Mexicans were almost nonexistent in the industry. Any home construction site today is overwhelmingly Hispanic.

 

Drug laws would be a fun debate to watch.

 

There's no argument when you're trying to defend alcohol. Craft an argument and i'll respond to it. Coincidentally, big business and prisons are one of the main reasons we have such archaic laws regarding pot. It never has been, nor never will be about public safety. You could definitely make an argument for prohibition of alcohol, based on the thousands of people who die and millions of dollars in damage it causes. But, losers who drink need their fix and there's far too much money in it for public safety to be considered.

 

Health care is needed but not the monstrosity we have.
Marriage equality would have happened eventually.
Pot laws, I'm not really sure about its future, some powerful individuals seem determined to keep it schedule 1 with no medical use, even though doctors proscribe it for medical use.

 

Again, I can't see why it's still schedule 1 either. I think there is enough evidence to say there are medical benefits. The other two are beyond the powers given to the federal government and not wanted by the majority. But when we allow government to grow and get more powerful we lose liberties. The only way to fix it is to make the government stay within the powers as given via the Constitution. We are allowing courts to loosely interpret laws to meet agendas or partisan politics.

 

Asked and answered. Those references at already part of the thread. Including a quote from Gonzalez.

In 2005 when only a few states had legal medical pot the public "need", that is, the need of the federal government to enforce pot laws to protect the public interest, was real. Today with more than half the states legalizing pot in some form, that public interest no longer exists.

 

No, it's not. Much stronger too. The good stuff back in college for $10.00 per oz. would seem like smoking tea today. I hope you are right. I don't drink anymore but it would be fun to get silly again. I just can't see the government not getting involved at some point. If they do, I'm fairly certain that they will to it by very heavy taxes. If ty want to go after any growers or dispensaries it will be either from interstate trafficking or any number of IRS tactics. A 50% tax alone could put some out of business, Not reporting income tax could put some in jail. It may never happen but I wouldn't bet that they won't.

 

Not even close to true. I know Mexicans in construction here making bank, and not all of them are legal. Most sub contractors pay by footage so it doesn't matter if you are from Mars, if you work you are paid well. Immigrants picking crops in Georgia were making north of 20 an hour, but again it is paid based on volume picked. Americans like the 20 an hour, but think they should get it after only putting in eight hours and doing half the work.

 

Just think how quickly that American attitude would change, were we to empower those able bodied & on government assistance with one of those jobs, in order to keep getting governmental assistance.

The length of time on assistance would be able to be shortened as well.

We had the CCC back after the Big Crash, & Dust Bowl days... Win win.

 

Yet another control freak clown in the oval orifice who hates the principles on which this nation was founded ( individual rights and freedoms "above" the legitimate authority of Gov't), the constitution and who does not know the difference between 1) having a personal or religious belief and 2) forcing that belief on others through physical violence (law).

This has less to do with states right than it has to do with rights period and illegitimate use of Gov't authority - Any Gov't - Federal, State, Municipal.

The biggest risk to the security and authority of "we the people" comes not from ISIS or Russia. I comes from our own Gov't.

 

I agree there definitely needs to be an attitude change, but alas I should stop derailing my own thread, and stop posting off topic.

 

Great thread though.... A little slippage off topic makes the discussion a bit tastier IMO.

 

That's who built our home in the 70s. If you look at the quality of home built today by Hispanics, it's down.

 

Agree.

 

Federal statue 8 U.S. Code § 1324a - Unlawful employment of aliens says it is illegal to hire undocumented workers. Since "any home construction site today is overwhelmingly Hispanic", why aren't the home builders and contractors being arrested? Giant home builders like Lennar and Pulte should be easy targets. If the Feds ever got serious about enforcing this law, fewer illegals would be able to work. Fewer available workers would drive up wages and attract more "all white Americans".

So, why isn't this law being rigorously enforced?

 

Many of the Hispanics who build homes today work for large home building companies. These companies are not run by illegal Hispanics. If the quality is down it's not because of the workers, it's because of the contractors, large and small.

There have been many instances in my area of shoddy construction in individual homes to large apartment complexes. Who benefits? It's not the workers who get paid by the hour, it's the contractors.

 

I do a ton of work for Lennar and the sad reality is the reason why sub contractors hire Hispanics is not because they can pay them less, as most make a damn good wage, it is because Hispanics are willing to put in the time to keep up with their ever increasing workload. They are willing to put in 10-12 hours, six days a week to make sure the work gets done. I have a few American born workers and trying to get them to put in a Saturday is like pulling teeth, whereas the Hispanic workers get mad when I don't have Saturday work for them. It's just a different mindset. also a lot of the shoddy construction comes from these massive homebuilders like Lennar and DR Horton not because of the Hispanics, but because they are putting out such volume and have so much demand on these contractors that they just rush through the building process. I have custom builders that use Hispanic labor as well, but the take their time, and I would have no problem vouching for their quality.

 

I guess you missed that Sessions said that the Congress needs to change the law if they want him to leave the pot heads alone?

The liberal horde asked what he was going to do about pot so he said that he would enforce the law.

 

Colorado's not scared.
http://www.thecannabist.co/2017/03/01/colorado-attorney-general-jeff-sessions-cynthia-coffman/74644/

 

Most builders operate on the sly here. Subbing work out to smaller companies who do employ illegals for deniability purposes.