Its a funny comment in the context of this thread to say "Be proud of who you are". Tp m, that says "white pride" or whatever is silly. The various people who did this or that in the past are NOT "who you ARE". What YOU do is who you ARE! What makes some other , hopefully temporary, movements like "Black Pride" more understandable and legitimate have been the massive campaigns in law, education, and society of defining blacks and other races and women of being "inferior" by their race or gender, usually to justify the laws and discrimination against those races and genders by whites. This i =s what =makes taking "pride" in white accomplishments a bit of a problematic act as well. By law and convention, whites were immoral enough to rig the game and set themselves up as top dog. Any white who failed while law and custom had them holding all the cards were "SUPER-losers", and the whites who succeeded were simply the beneficiaries of a massive 200 year "affirmative action program" that makes the tiny little steps done now to try correct the history look like fleas on a mountain. Whites often succeeded simply existing, and trading on the hard work of minorities or women who were PROHIBITED from succeeding. The lists of men taking credit for their minority underlings' or wives inventions and brilliant work are very long, although the REAL crime were all the brilliant people simply ignored and blocked because of their skin or sex, and whose contributions we lost. Its even fascinating to see how clueless whites are these days to equate giving a small preference to women or minority hiring somehow is just as bad as the days when a minority or woman would simply NOT be hired, recognized, published or listened to, regardless f their abilities or accomplishments. "Success" when you have rigged the game entirely in your favor is a meaningless measure of ability, and how whites can take any pride in these past accomplishments of the top dogs over any other race is simply being blind. Why don't whites try to be proud of THEMSELVES? Since NO one has asserted they are a subhuman species as they have with other races, whites have no malignant image to dispel like blacks or others do.
If the only thing one has to be proud of is the color of their skin, one should really quit wasting precious oxygen and do something with one's life. Really grat people and useless bags of flesh and sorry sob's have come from every race. No one has cornered the market on any of them.
I never said black Irish. I said there is a large population of blacks in Ireland that consider themselves Irish. Reading comprehension
Well duhhh. If they live in Ireland of course they are Irish. What's your point? No, not a comprehension proble, a problem in clarity. You a follower of King Barack? He has a problem with clarity too and he's black. Sorry dude, that was kinda racist. I take it back.
My point is that most people identify with a heritage, not a skin color. Blacks in America identify with a skin color because they were brought over as slaves so don't know their country of origin. Blacks in other countries who migrated there identify with the country not a skin color. Beginning to see the big picture yet? Go to England and ask a black man if he's more proud to be black or english and he will say english.
Your conclusion is the very opposite of what I said. I think it is stupid and a sign of personal insecurity and desperation to take "pride" in the accomplishments of others with which you have had nothing to contribute. I don't care if it is your "forefathers", your neighbor, the founder of your country or anyone else, including your city's sports team! (What idiocy, unless you are the coach!) And why would I wear "traditional African garb"? I may respect the culture of where they come from or what a particular country or people did, but that has NOTHING to do with the thread of personal "white pride". And the sooner any group gets over the need to identify with anything other than personal accomplishment, the better off they are as human beings. Its like "Christians" considering themselves to be superior to others because they CALL themselves "Christians". Give your last dime or rip the shirt off your back in the winter to give to someone poor, THEN I will respect your "Christian Pride'. You know what? The pople who have actually DONE things like this NEVER call themselves "Christians". They just ARE Christians.
Africans and asians are racist because 12 months out of the year their people have african and asian month.
Ken, I'm not arguing that point with you. I understand why blacks in America need to proclaim their pride in their skin color, for so many years they were treated like animals not men. The Jewish holocaust only lasted several years while slavery lasted for many, many years. You're saying that the OP shouldnt have any pride in the color of his skin. I understand where he's coming from. Many American's (presuming, apparently, you) want whites to be ashamed of their color because of what happened in history. I hate what happened in many situations by whites but I am not ashamed of it. It had nothing to do with me. My dad used to say, "Get over it". I'm so tired of people wanting to drag up things that happened many decades ago it has no relevancy to today. Is their racial prejudice in the world? Hell yes and there will be for the next 7 years. But blame the racist and dont generalize against the whole section of the human race. And, definately dont think that blacks alone have been mistreated. Mistreatment of people by reson of ethinicity has always gone on and will get worse soon. - - - Updated - - - Thank you for expressing your opinion, as irrelevant as it is. Please collect your gift for participating at the door. Ta Ta.
I never once said he shouldn't have pride in being white. I said I find it silly. If someone wants to be proud to be white then so be it. Taking pride in your heritage is a wonderful thing but being proud to be white is just pointless. At what color skin tone do you no longer consider yourself white? Would the Spanish be considered white or do you stop at France? See how ridiculous this gets?
I see how ridiculous you are Ken. Why dont we just stop here and if you want to discuss this we use PM, okay?
Apparently your running out of facts to argue with me about. I do this to a lot of people so don't take it personally. I'm just a better debater then you are and know my subjects very well. Its ok to lose an argument against me. Better men then you have fallen beneath my might.
This question reminds me of my math teacher trying to explain infinity to the class; she said “If we order a pizza and cut it into infinite slices, no one would get any pizza.” We have African American Pride, Latino Pride, Native American Pride, Women Pride, Asian American Pride, Gay Pride, Jewish Pride the list goes on and on. Eventually everyone is going to have their own Pride day. We’re reaching 7 billion people, we don’t have enough days in the year to give enough Proud People their Pride Day, what are we gonna do? And the worst thing about this whole thing, the elephant in the room no one wants to mention, all these groups that are getting their own Pride Day, are groups that have at one time or another been abused, mistreated, pre-judged, enslaved, denied rights, and all around been crapped on. Sure, white people have been through all this too but for some reason most of it has been suspiciously missing from 6th grade history books. I know my heritage, and I’m very proud of it. No one else but those in my own family have the exact same heritage, for God’s sake my family was living here when we decided to rebel against our own government and kick the redcoats off our land and back to England with a message to the King that said “screw you, you’re not the boss of me!”, and then since they didn’t get the message the first time we had to do it again in 1812. Sure I’m proud of that, (even the 1812 thing, but we didn’t gain much ground there) but I don’t need my own special day to be proud of my family or genetic make-ups past, my heritage as you say. There are plenty of other people that have my skin tone that have a different heritage then me, and they should be proud of theirs equally, so in the end the only thing we would be “celebrating” is the color of our skin. The more and more we classify ourselves the more and more we divide ourselves, the harder it is to work together and resolve any issue without quickly blaming race, gender, religion, age, or whatever. How often is the race card thrown down when Obama does well, … anything? Instead of calling it what it is, or what they feel is the real disagreement or problem, or disagreement with the opposing side, they have to remind us that we voted in a black dude. I don’t care what color the presidents skin is, all they gotta do is ensure that my rights remain intact and I am free from government intervention (you can make your own judgment call on whether or not I’m pleased with the current administration). We are Americans, we need only 365 American Pride Days, no matter who you are or what you are, (unless you’re from another country, have your own pride days of your own choosing, or if your some flying spaghetti monster from outer space, I really can help you on that). I know my heritage, I’m proud of that, I don’t need some stupid pride day to remember I’m proud of my people, what they did right, and what they did wrong, I don’t care. I’m not just against White Pride Day, I’m against all the other pride days too. Have you ever noticed that most people stick to their own race and gender in a group of their own closest friends. I call this subconscious segregation. Do you ever subconsciously go to the cashier who is your race or gender if there is someone of a different race or gender who is also available, or a salesperson to ask for advice? If you do or find yourself doing this, ask yourself why? (Oh BTW, I’m that guy who doesn’t fit into your little group trying to talk to ya’ll, so stop giving me weird looks) We are bombarded constantly with messages of ‘ I am this type of person, your different’, and it has entered our subconscious. So let’s just forget about all these Pride Days, I’m an American, and I’m Proud of that! Furthermore I am Proud of all other Americans, from those who have been here for thousands of years to those who just went through the painful process of finally getting their citizenship, I am Proud that I to be a part of my fellow countryman and woman’s great heritage.
I never get this. Being proud of being an American, being a particular race. It's not like that's the result of your own work, but luck and chances. It's not wrong...just weird and makes no sense.
Now you're just obfuscating Ken. You called his pride in the color of his skin "pointless" several times. You also made other disparaging comments to him and others regarding being proud of the color of their skin. You have a real problem over skin color and I dont know why but dont lie and say that's not what you were saying. Who cares what a persons skin color is? Get over it. I like what Dr. King said about character and skin color. You could learn something from him.
Talk about missing the point. If your solution to racism involves reverse racism against Whites, isn't the solution worse than the problem (keeping in mind there are still more White people in America than anywhere else)? Let's put it another way. The whole point of Black holidays like Kwanza or African-American week is to build a message of positive racism (I am black and that is a good thing because Blacks have much to be proud of). I don't see positive racism as a bad thing; it's when people say they are better than the other group so the other group must be so bad that bad things start to happen. The idiots promoting White Power in America are virtually all negative racists, but the question asked in the OP is a legitimate one which I would answer in the affirmative.
Why would anyone take pride in something they had and can have no choice in? Could I have brown-eyed pride? A-positive blood pride? It's ridiculous.
