White slaves were treated much worse than black slaves

Hitler promoted slave labor to bail out the German economy.. Do you recall the Nuremberg Laws or the concentration camps?

 

You are very correct, wopper stopper.



Here is an angry face and destructive behavior only a mother can love! Mayor Michael A. Nutter, telling marauding black youths in Philadelphia, “you have damaged your own race,” imposed a tougher curfew Monday in response to the latest “flash mob” — spontaneous groups of teens who attack people at random on the streets of the city’s tourist and fashionable shopping districts.

“Take those God-darn hoodies down, especially in the summer,” Mr. Nutter, the city’s third black mayor, said in an angry lecture aimed at black teens. “Pull your pants up and buy a belt ‘cause no one wants to see your underwear or the crack of your butt.”

 

It really is too bad that the majority of you people have no idea of how distructive the Jews were to the German economy pre-Hitler. They destroyed it. Hitler's message was clear in Mein Kampf but the Jews refused to believe him. Well, Herr Hitler did what he said he would do just like Ronald Reagan dd with the striking ATC men in 1980.

The lie that has been perpetuated and magnified by the zionsist of Hollywood is the so-called attempted extermination of Jews by the Germans - this did NOT happen, there is NO statistical evidenec that there were even 6 million Jews in all of Europe let alone 6 million killed. True, many Jews died in Labour Camps but they did so while working hard. The Hollocaust is nothing but a HUMBUG !

 

Margot, what on earth does this have to do with the fact it is an established fact that Hitler was a socialist?

He hated capitalism and like most of the liberals in this group he thought socialism was the greatest thing since sliced bread. Hitler hated the Jews and sent them to concentration camps because he thought the Jews were the quintessential capitalists! He blamed them for Germany’s economic problems that surfaced immediately after World War One.

Hitler's love of ” socialism” is clearly and correctly documented in many ill refutable and reliable references.

 

Oh baloney.......

Read the Nuremberg Laws and look at who Hitler incarcerated.. He nailed anyone with an education, clergy, professors, professionals and Jews.

 

Yukon,

It is obvious you have been thoroughly brain-washed by your Neo-Nazi friends.

Sources?

Without reliable sources, these comments are mere speculation and unsupported conclusions on your part!

James Cessna

 

Poor James, his head may soon 'explode' for another myth has been trashed by truth.

 

I think slavery is a practice that goes beyond race. All races do/or have done it. I don't get the hole "Jews" thing though. I guess you could say that 95% of Egyptions owned a Jewish slave at some point 2000 years ago.

"Whites" didn't stop slavery. Christianity/religion did.

 

I have learned a great deal from Marxism, as I do not hesitate to admit. The difference between them and myself is that I have really put into practice what these peddlers and pen-pushers have timidly begun.... I had only to develop logically what Social Democracy repeatedly failed in because of its attempt to realize its evolution within the framework of democracy. National Socialism is what Marxism might have been if it could have broken its absurd and artificial ties with a democratic order."

Hitler to Rauschning

 

People that work in non-union environments are essentially slaves. They do not enjoy decent wages, have no benefits, no pensions, limited vacation time...they are the NEW slaves and they BOW to their Masters in the Republican Party - crazy people like Palin, McCain, Boehner, Perry, etc etc even witches.

 

Its METAPHOR.. Slavery of the ignorance of God. The bondage of ignorance.

John 8: 33

They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?

 

I think the point of the OP is that there were white slaves as well. That seems to be overlooked (purposely or not) in our history books as if it never existed. We should be truthful about our past as hundred of thousands of white people perished along with many of the African slaves. Slavery is a (*)(*)(*)(*) disgrace to humanity and to American history no matter if the slaves were white or black. That said, I would like to see more truth about slavery in our history books.

Here is some good information regarding White slavery.

http://www.revisionisthistory.org/forgottenslaves.html

 

The history of Irish women who went to the Caribbean as indentured servants is very interesting.. as is the evidence of cultural remnants.

 

There was much Irish slavery in America, let alone the Caribbean.

"Although the Africans and Irish were housed together and were the property of the planter owners, the Africans received much better treatment, food and housing. In the British West Indies the planters routinely tortured white slaves for any infraction. Owners would hang Irish slaves by their hands and set their hands or feet afire as a means of punishment. To end this barbarity, Colonel William Brayne wrote to English authorities in 1656 urging the importation of Negro slaves on the grounds that, "as the planters would have to pay much more for them, they would have an interest in preserving their lives, which was wanting in the case of (Irish)...." many of whom, he charged, were killed by overwork and cruel treatment. African Negroes cost generally about 20 to 50 pounds Sterling, compared to 900 pounds of cotton (about 5 pounds Sterling) for an Irish. They were also more durable in the hot climate, and caused fewer problems. The biggest bonus with the Africans though, was they were NOT Catholic, and any heathen pagan was better than an Irish Papist. Irish prisoners were commonly sentenced to a term of service, so theoretically they would eventually be free. In practice, many of the slavers sold the Irish on the same terms as prisoners for servitude of 7 to 10 years."

http://www.raceandhistory.com/cgi-bin/forum/webbbs_config.pl/noframes/read/1638

 

The reason white indentured criminals were sometimes treated worse than black slaves is that they were indeed not transferable or permanent property, so they had a much lower property value to the owner and thus he had less incentive to treat them well.

Economics is not always the sole arbiter of such behavior, though. The Caribbean was settled mainly for the profitable crop of sugar cane but for a long time the mortality rate was high and little effort was made to reduce it. High death rates among white indentured criminals caused an outcry in western Europe and the supply was not sufficient to meet the demand, so millions of blacks were imported and three out of four were worked to death (literally). It's the descendants of the children of the surviving slaves that make up the bulk of today's Caribbean population.

 

The Irish in the Caribbean 1641-1837: An Overview

excerpt:

Thus, widows and spinsters were often left with few resources, save the ownership of slaves, who served them and could be rented out to bring in an income. Irish names supply evidence of this point. Examples from two parishes in Jamaica show Brigit Garvey received compensation for eight slaves; Elizabeth Anne Carroll seven; Jane Welch, Elizabeth Geoghegan, Anne O’Meally, and Eleanor Tierney six each; Elizabeth Anne Sherlocke, Elizabeth Slevin, and Mary O’Sullivan five; Rebecca Fergus, Elizabeth Burke, Cecelia Jane Murphy, Mary Anne Connolly four; Ann Rattigan three; Mary Anne B. Hennessey, two; Jane Boyle, Brigit Dillon, Mary Curtin one (Ibid: Jamaica). Again, the lists of names on Montserrat and Antigua reveal examples of a similar situation.

Throughout the British West Indies, records for the eighteen thirties attest to the tenacity of Hiberno-Caribbean connections. In 1833 the Earl of Sligo (direct descendant of Elizabeth Kelly and John Browne) claimed for 286 slaves and received about £5,526 in compensation.

In 1834 he was appointed Governor of Jamaica with Dowell O’Reilly from County Louth serving as his Attorney General. O’Reilly’s appointment reiterated the Irish legal presence on the island. Unlike his predecessors, the passing of Catholic emancipation in 1829 meant that he could take up his judicial appointment as a Catholic.

http://www.irlandeses.org/0711rodgers3.htm

 

Very interesting, Margot.

Thanks for sharing.

The liberals in this group always want a "results-oriented" outcome instead of a "merit-oriented” outcome.

They want everyone to be paid the same regardless of their education, the quality of their skills and their personal work ethic.

These attitudes are what led to the dramatic collapse of the Soviet Union. This is a very foolish goal and, in the real world, it will never happen.

These goals are unrealistic in even the most socialistic society! By the way, if you believe in ownership of private property, you are a capitalist. Under capitalism, corporations and small businesses (the means of production and delivery of services) are considered private property. If you believe the state should own everything and the ownership of private property should be forbidden, you are a socialist.

This was also very good.

"Marx and his followers from the Communist Manifesto in 1848 looked upon private property as the origin of evil itself. So if we could literally abolish private property – which is really a fancy word for socialism, incidentally. If someone said, what is socialism, a great definition of socialism is the abolition of private property, and the public and social takeover of private property.

But those who possessed property were referred to as the bourgeois, or the bourgeoisie. It's an economic term, but it means those who possess property. The proletariat is another term that literally means those – the property-less class. And the property-less class, of course, were supposed to be somehow the workers of the world. The work – remember Marx in the Manifesto said that the workers of the world needed to unite.

But – well, the definition of workers, from his point of view is – well, was he a worker of the world? Karl Marx never, as far as I can remember, held a job, hardly. He was on the – he was on the payroll of his sidekick, Engels, who in turn was receiving his money from his capitalistic father in England. So in a sense, Marx himself was a leach on Engels. Engels was a leach on his old man in London."

 

corporal punishment was common centuries ago.

Why should slaves be spared the same punishments as common citizens?

 

That's right. An Irishman diodn't have the value of a horse, let alone a slave or a protestant. Slave owners paid Irishmen little of nothing to do jobs that were too dangerous to risk losing a slave over.

 

Do you read this BS before you post it.

 

You're really stretching a point, Margot. Slave labor is NOT the same as slavery and you know it, or if you don't, you should. Slavery, as practiced in the U.S. and Latin America was a system by which one race was subjected to slavery for life with that slavery extending to their children, grandchildren, etc.