White supremacy a 'transnational threat', U.N. chief warns

It's as if you are in an alternate reality. Please tell us about all the killings and erasing of history by white supremacy. I'm listening.

 

They certainly do in Portland, Seattle, San Fran, NYC, etc...

Why are so many of them not getting prosecuted? Any theories?



https://www.kgw.com/article/news/investigations/portland-protest-cases-dismissed-feds/283-002f01d2-3217-4b12-8725-3fda2cad119f#:~:text=PORTLAND, Ore.,protesters clashed with federal agents.&text=The dismissal of protest cases,Department of Justice last summer.

 

Correct.

Rightwingers have less to cry about--they're typically "haves"--so it's unsurprising they would be more likely to pull on the levers of power instead of heading to the street. The Orange Oaf added lower- and middle-income whites to a shrinking Republican base and with them people who have no history of access. Result?



Overall, across the political spectrum, Americans are remarkably peaceful compared to people in other countries. We may not stay that way, however, if the political middle is picked off by the extremes.

 

I don't really know of any that actually happend. There might have been but I don't know them.

 

I guess you missed it. So, again...

Does this mean you concede that most BLM protests are peaceful?

As far as your claim Democrats control the courts: BS.

Because we have to have the goods on someone to get a conviction. We actually let a trial get in the way of a good hanging.

A lot of these thugs are going to get away with trashing in the Capitol..



Do you have another system you like better?

 

How much trashing? Put a dollar figure on it. Anywhere near the billions of dollars of damage the left wing rioters have done?

Yes. I like the court systems in Republican-run cities that don't let left wing rioters go unprosecuted for purely political reasons.

 

You have to be the most honest poster on PF

 

As I said, conservatives are typically "haves" with access to power. When whites haven't had access--during the Vietnam War, for example--they became very violent. There were something like three thousand of bombings a year fifty years ago and barely over one hundred a year now. Study up on the Weather Underground.

States with Republican governors and Republican-controlled legislatures have cities with violence:



Instead of agreeing with me that we should deal with violent protests, you seem more interested in finger-pointing and ignoring the violence in Republican-controlled states. Frankly, you don't appear to give a tinker's damn about the violence and only want to use it to spew partisan crap. Maybe people are stupid enough for you to pull the wool over their eyes. Maybe you'll get away with it. Maybe.

You probably live in a state with a maggot governor like DeSantis, Noem, or Abbott. You'd probably vote for Trump if he runs in 2024. I wouldn't spit on the grave of any of these slimeballs.

 

Yeah, he lives in a reality where they can get away with what they'd like to do.

 

The Weather Underground was radical leftists the same as the radical leftists that have done billions of dollars worth of damage with their destructive riots over the last year.

Can you please acknowledge the fact that rioting leftist have done billions of dollars worth of damage over the last year?

Yes, leftists have done lots of damage and violence in states with Republican governments. Thank you for proving my point that destructive leftists are a problem all over the country.

I'm not ignoring the violence and damage that leftists have done anywhere their protests have turned dangerous and destructive. I fully acknowledge that leftists have done plenty of damage to even Republican-controlled areas. I've seen the damage and destruction the left wing rioters have done to my own state of Indiana, and the city of Indianapolis in particular.

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I completely agree with you that we should deal with violent protests, and I'd like you to acknowledge the simple fact that the leftist protests have been far more violent, and far more destructive, than any protests Trump supporters have participated in.

Can you please acknowledge that you understand the plain truth of the large scale of the damage and violence wrought by left wing rioters, or would you prefer to keep ignoring it?

 

No, these guys went a lot further. Thousands of bombings. There were so many bombing threats at schools, unless the threat was almost immediate bombing we would just carry on like nothing had happened. The arson and looting now don't even seem to have a political purpose. (Not that I thought much of any politics people were presenting years ago by being violent.)

I don't know if it's billions, but it is many, many millions.

You were the guy who said electing Republicans would solve the problem. It hasn't, not at the state or federal level.

You're ignoring the rightwing extremist threat and the jackass...



... who encourages them for his personal political gain.

Why doesn't the state government put a stop to it?

I'd like to see the evidence it wasn't a bunch of criminals using BLM as cover. I think BLM is being used or coopted and are incompetent organizers.

We'll see how Joe Biden does. He's all but shut down Sanders, Warren, and the Squad. None of them dares to undermine what Joe is doing.

Is Joe going to bat for Cuomo? Nope.

The guy has put himself in the political middle and is forcing you guys to attack him from the far right. Do you think people worried about putting food on the table are worried about the $1.9t? Joe said he would help people, and get them their shots. What are Republicans doing for them? Twenty or so Republican states are still trying to cut their healthcare in the middle of a pandemic.

Joe said rioters should be prosecuted, so do it.

Right. Small groups. Lock 'em up.

The radicals are fighting with cops and committing arson. A bunch of other people see looting as a business activity. Some arson here, too.

Crack down, but fer crissake don't let the cops act like thugs. Then you will get a reaction, even in Indiana.

The dangerous MFs are rightwing extremists who stormed the Capitol, racists who ride into the black community in pickup trucks, and Antifa thugs who attack police. Poor people who loot-for-gain aren't a political threat, but the others are.

Countries can fly apart if they allow thugs to fight it out in the streets or attack public property with impunity. Trump is encouraging rightwing extremists.

 

Hidden plots are dangerous, so.....no, primary concern should not be focusing on lives lost in public protests that turn into riots ...riots in ghettos which are often a result of poor management by already-despised police (in the ghettos). You are still ignoring the effect of economic disadvantage. as a causation of these riots.

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At least 25 Americans were killed during protests and political unrest in 2020 | Protest | The Guardian


Ie all of 25.....

cf, "far-left groups, including anarchists and antifascist organizations, were responsible for 12 attacks and plots so far this year (to Oct.) or 20 percent of the total number,"

...so 60 attacks from the Right.

OTOH, property damage, rather than deaths per se, will be heavy in ghetto areas subject to large public rioting, as looting takes hold.

"Further, that white supremacist groups were responsible for 41 of 61 “terrorist plots and attacks” in the first eight months of this year, or 67 percent".

Not deaths perhaps, only by good fortune....

But the Christchurch NZ massacre shows just how deadly such ideologies CAN be.

 

LOL! So nutcases who go on killing sprees are "white supremacists". Yanno, there are crazy folks who kill everyday but that doesn't mean they are to be taken at their word as to why they kill.

 

Or perhaps it's more a matter of the vilification of the police, and incitements to riot by left wing extremists pushing a political narrative about police brutality that's not supported by the facts?

I'm not ignoring it. I fully acknowledge that poor people tend to be more violent and destructive, and that's the part you're ignoring.

The worldwide numbers don't support your premise that white supremacist terrorists represent a significant threat.

The fact remains that there were more victims killed by Islamic terrorists last month than have been killed by white supremacist terrorists in the last 40 years. The fact remains that there was billions of dollars of damage done, and extensive violence perpetrated, in the US in the last year by rioting left wing extremists Vs. only a fraction of the same done by white supremacists. The only way to make it appear otherwise is to ignore the overall big picture, and play games by twisting the plain truth, and playing shell games with crime classifications and "non-equivalencies".

You can keep insisting that white supremacist terrorists are a significant "potential threat", but it would just be speculation, and it would be supposition that's just not supported by logic given the current wide imbalance between the violence and destruction wreaked by left wing and Islamic extremists Vs that done by white supremacist extremists.

 

We should track and keep tabs on white supremacist groups just like we need to watch BLM and ANTIFA and radical Islam. They’re all dangerous. But to single out the LEAST dangerous is totally political and an active campaign to shift focus off the other groups. Gang activity in a month in 1 city kills more people than the KKK have in how many decades? Radical Islam kills how many every month? Math doesn’t lie. Demonizing white people because it’s the IN thing to do anything in 2021 will only lead to more disaster and push us down towards 2nd world status to join the rest of central and South America. There’s a reason countries run by certain minorities are historically corrupt and vastly more dangerous.

 

The Weather Underground, led by Obama's buddy, Bill Ayers, were bomb-tossing left wing lunatics. I'm well aware of this. Thank you.

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Please show me where I said that. I said Republicans are apt to deal with left wing rioters more effectively, because they're not sympathetic to their radical leftist causes, like the Democrats are, and they don't use them as useful idiots, like the Democrats do.

While it's perfectly clear that Democrats only instigate and encourage the problem of destructive left wing riots, and then they fail to hold the criminal perpetrators possible.

Biden and Kamala's staffers were donating bail money to radical left wing rioters who were under arrest for their rioting crimes. Why would they do this for any other reason then sympathy for their cause?

I'm doing my best to ignore your childish insults, and even more childish arguments by silly cartoons and memes.

The left wing rioting is absolutely a bunch of criminals using BLM as useful idiots to push their political agendas. That bunch of criminals are called "Democrats", and the evidence of their schemings has been burning, smashing and looting all over America for a year now.

The Democrat lockdowns have devastating. We're in agreement there.

Why are the Democrat-run courts letting so many rioters go unpunished?

Sounds like you think the rioting is justified.

How dangerous are right wing extremists? Put some numbers on it.

How much violence and destruction? How many victims? Give me some facts and stats please.

 

All cons need to do to make sure minorities always support the Dems is to react negatively whenever anyone condemns white supremacy.

 

So, when you're shown facts, and real statistics, and the truth laid out plain, you consider it a negative reaction?

 

Who does that.. However there are people who use white supremacy as a blanket excuse to silence criticism along with blaming all their failures on..

Simple.. Racism is evil.... Blaming everything on racism is just as evil...

Go ahead call me "fragile" /facepalm

 

You're aware of the mentality behind the people who were in the Weather Underground? Nothing you've written I've seen suggests you do.

Obama's actions as a Senator and President are at odds with everything Bill Ayers represented in his youth. Has Ayers change in his old age? I have my doubts even though he has eschewed violence. Why has Obama had anything to do with the guy? It makes no sense, frankly.

Ayers wrote a book in recent years championing small schools. I taught in a small high school for more than a decade--a really good school with extremely high student achievement--and it was nothing like Ayers talked about. My take is that Ayers knows zip about running or teaching in a small school, and especially not on why small schools, run properly, can solve a lot of our problems in public education.

We did the right thing dealing with the Weather Underground--hunt them down and put them out of business. We should do the same thing with left and right extremists today.

But you have so far been unwilling to condemn and deal with rightwing extremists.

A smear job that underscores your poor understanding of our bail system.

What you're doing is distracting with insults while avoiding the issue. You support this jerk who encourages rightwing extremists, and you compound your failure to go after rightwing thugs by overemphasizing problems presented by leftwing extremists. I guess this "works" with compatriot birds-of-a-feather.

It's not "all over America," but it is too much--way too much. MLK and the marchers he organized were peaceful. BLM could do the same thing, but that would mean coming out with a straightforward denunciation of violence, and perhaps working with police to put extremists in a box.

As I said, you guys are attacking centrist Joe from wayyyyy out there on the right. He's putting food on the table while you have jerks like DeSantis, Noem, and Abbott opening up too soon.

I guess you don't know what "crack down" and "lock them up" mean.

You're willfully blind. The Trump FBI has said rightwing extremists are the biggest problem we face internally.

 

Can you provide anything outside well the FBI sez?

Keep in mind this is the same FBI that **** on the FISA process


My Job aka me working puts food on the table not the President.. No wonder you like this bill /facepalm

 

Sorry but until gang warfare is considered terrorism I don’t take any of these “statistics” seriously. How are organized gangs who control sections of the inner cities, NOT terrorists? How is a lone nut who hates gay people a terrorist while a car full of guys shooting up cops, NOT terrorists? One hates gays. The other hates cops AND white people. Why is the white guy worse?

The definition of terrorism is completely unbalanced and for a very specific reason. If gangs were called terrorists, then it would throw the entire narrative on its ear. It’s FAR easier to demonize white males, when black males proportionally kill SO MANY MORE people every year.

 

Joe is helping a lot of people put food on the table. Nothing wrong with that.

 

How so?
How is 9% of a bill going to serve its purpose? Wouldnt opening states and allowing people to go back to work "put food on the table"?

How long do you think $1400 is going to last people who have been out of work?

Do you think the Government should "put food on the table" until our currency is worthless?

 

It's just the fact on how I see it. History tells us that Hitler ordered genocide on the jewish population in Germany. It was due after World War 1, Germany was in bad shape and the jewish people weren't as bad as the rest of Germany. Hitler's goal was to eliminate all races and leave the blonde haired, Blue eyed people to exist. Well FYI that failed and any such plan I mentionned bofore about this will fail as well.