Who do you consider white? Is white a valid race?

Further Ethiopians and Somalis are mixed Caucasoid/Negroid.

 

I know the site of my post of White vs Caucasian the first sentance is a hard read and might be clearer with this bit from wikipedia.

Caucasian race (also Caucasoid[1] or Europid[2]) is the general physical type of some or all of the populations of Europe, North Africa, the Horn of Africa, Western Asia, Central Asia and South Asia.[3] The term was used in biological anthropology for many people from these regions, without regard necessarily to skin tone

So as both say a White can be called a Caucasian, but this is where the first post does seem to get it backwards and should say not all Caucasians can be called as White!

Thanks for the catch and feedback!

 

why are you sooo very determined to prove that Middle Eastern Jews are white, even if they don't look white?

forgive me, but it appears that you have bought into whiteness being a higher symbol of status.

 

No, I'm against the stereotypes that 'european jews' are white even when they are brown skinned and that middle eastern jews are brown even when they are white skinned. Religious denomination like sfarad and ashkenaz never determine color, there are white sfaradim and brown ashkenazim and vice versa. The terms are equivalent to lutheran and methodist, they have nothing to do with race or color.

Even on the genetic plot posted moroccans and ashkenazi overlap, some literally lie right on top of each other on the plots. They are identical. I'm fighting the common stereotypes held by jews and non-jews alike.

How can sefaradim be 'non white' when Judah Benjamin was part of the confederacy? Sefaradic jews were the first jews in america and they were a part of the trans atlantic slave trade. Spanish and Portuguese are part of the white race, and many jews from these countries are white. People have this false idea that portugese are not white. Thats like saying italians are not white. Its absurd. Just because someone has darker skin or is tan doesn't make them a person of color. Plenty of mediterranean europeans tan, they are still white.

And the idea that Iranians are not white is insanity, the persian people are indo-european from aryan tribes. They are proud of being true aryans. The nazis misused the word in their own racial pseudo science. Aryans are from Iran, even the name Iran means 'land of the aryans'.

 

some Jews are white. some Jews are not white.

what do you care?

 

I care because I am jewish, not edomite, and because jews' skin color or race are not defined by their nationality or religious rite. That would be like saying assyrian americans are white because they live in detroit, not Iraq.

 

no, I am asking you why do you care if some folks think you are not white?

is being white a status symbol for you? it doesn't matter if you are or are not white.

 

Of course not. I care because its condescending. The idea that iraqis are not white is absurd, just look at the kurds. Tons of kurds are white with blond hair and blue eyes. I am in academia and I don't like the academic community and social commentators defining me and my in laws based on stereotypes that hold no basis in reality. I have ashkenazi relatives by marriage, and some of them have jet black hair and dark skin. Some of my iraqi relatives by blood have red hair, freckles and white skin.

 

you find it condescending for someone to say you are not white? lol!!!!

that's a problem bro.

I have met Arabs, and many of them are not white. They deal with it just fine.

 

Arabs are different. Completely different tribe, especially the ones from the gulf countries. Arabians have plenty of black admixture and they are all virtually brown anyway, like indians and pakistanis.

I have posted most of the chief rabbis of israel who are sefaradic by religion, and they look identical to plenty of ashkenazi jews. The genes are the same. I find it condescending when anti-zionist academics define religious denominations by race or color.

 

I have an Egyptian co-worker. He surely is not white.

I have a Lebanese co-worker. He is white.

but again, who cares?

 

I also can't stand it when ghetto acting italians or half italians say they are not white simply because they have dark hair and an olive complexion. They are trying to act smarter and more 'down' than other whites. Whites are not a monolithic group in terms of color. I have a hobby for studying ethnicities and their origins too, thats why I care.

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Its a side hobby for me, countering stereotypes. Egyptians are usually not white if they are arab so Im not surprised. Lebanese look like jews and are often mistaken as such. Ralph Nader and Helen Thomas are lebanese. Same with Tony Shalhoub.

I care just because I find it interesting.

 

you "can't stand it"????

I don't see why you would even pay attention.

this is not an important issue, I don't see why you focus on it.

 

White isn't defined by skin color but by Europid ancestry. Kurds are not White.

 

Refugee: This girl, a Syrian Kurd, was forced to flee with her family to a refugee camp in the Iraqi Kurdish city of Erbil after her home was bombed


All smiles: Despite their precarious existence, photographer Eric Lafforgue says the Kurdish refugees were wonderfully kind and welcoming


Kurdish girl

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2462971/Haunting-portraits-Kurdish-refugees-offer-striking-insight-lives-refugees-forced-Syrian-homes-civil-war.html

 

They're not White defined by Europid ancestry. If you want to define White as 'having green eyes' that's fine. Nobody else does.

 

I used to be around it all the time in high school and other post high school functions. I was around it all the time, these people were obnoxious and still are. People would get in other people's faces about this stuff and run their mouth. They were ignorant. Its an important issue to me because the same people would call me bad names, slurs against arabs, when I am not even an arab.

I'm not into this nordic like view that whites are only people with blond hair either. Stormfront subscribes to that, I don't.

Academics who should know better have adopted these silly stereotypes and I think its important to fight this today. I don't know why you are so worked up against me about this issue or disgusted or whatever. I don't get it, really.

 

I don't define people as white for having green eyes. Never have. Actually the first man posted has blue eyes (and white skin) but thats besides the point. The US census defines White as anyone having origins from europe, the middle east, and north africa.

 

These kurdish women and girls are obviously white by the US census definition and look white. Although I appreciate almost any study, I would be careful with Richards, in his study on jews, other geneticists have noted his methodology is extremely flawed, and other studies have contradicted his.

 

Kurds are white according to the US census. Kurds are also indo european related to the aryan persians of Iran. They most likely descended from the medes.

Kurds are white with red hair and freckles, plenty have white skin and are clearly caucasoid.


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Well then this is just semantics. How on earth are South Asian Indians "White" anyway?

I define (and so does everyone I know) White as being Europid. Turks and Semites are not White by that definition. If you want to call South Asians "White" go ahead. But please engage opponents by their own definitions, or you are simply misrepresenting what they are saying.

 

Consensus Neighbor-Joining Tree of Populations


Kalash girl

The Kalash in Afghanistan and Pakistan are thought to be ancestral to all Caucasian populations including modern Europeans and the Kurds and other ancient Middle Eastern populations predated the emergence of modern Europeans. What separates East Asians from Caucasians is the lighter skin mutation that occurred 50,000 years ago in South Asia and any person with the A111T mutation can be considered white. But what's peculiar to Arab and southern European populations is sub-Saharan admixture as they historically interbred with African migrants. As a result, some portions of these populations are as dark-skinned as pure Africans due to their significant African ancestry and their whiteness differs considerably even within the same ethnic group.

 

South Asians (indians, pakistanis, etc) have their own category in the census I believe. They are not considered white by the census, and for good reason. Indians/Pakistanis/Sri Lankans are not white at all even though they are indo european.

You are correct, most people are unaware of the census and consider middle easterners to be people of color. The problem is 'middle eastern' is such a broad term itself, just like white. It includes Turks, North Africans, Arabs, and countless other groups.

Even true turks are not white, but turkic originating from mongolia. Turkish people are a mix of a variety of peoples, some are of med. descent indistinguishable from greeks, others are arabian and persian influenced, others are central asian.

Semites is also very broad for a racial designation, who have many white skinned anti-israeli hassidic jews of brooklyn, many darker skinned non-hassidic jews from eastern europe (poland), light and dark skinned spanish jews, you have arabs, assyrians, and even black semites from ethiopia who speak amharic and tigrinya, both semitic langs.

Arab is more of a cultural term as well, not racial. There are black arabs from Somalia, Chad, and Sudan, even mostly black arabians from yemen, oman, and some mixed blacks from saudi arabia. Levantine arabs especially syrians are white. The president of Syria is white.

Berbers from North Africa can be white in many cases but also brown. Kurds and Assyrians can be white or brown, same with Iranians.

And then there are the true caucasians from the caucasus, countries like armenia, azerbaijan, dagestan, and georgia who are typically olive skinned and have mixed middle eastern heritage like the european jews.

As you can see its very very complicated, and its not a one size fits all scenario. I strongly believe however that whites should not be limited to europe, and especially not to northern, central, or eastern europe. Where do the Gypsies/Roma fit in? They are europeans, like many jews are, but like the jews are clearly n ot native to europe but are mixed with north indian. Are roma white? Some are, some have freckles and fair skin, others look just like indians.

I think we should do away with the term white. Its not a good racial or ethnic designator. What do you think?

 

Good pic. Some afghans and paikstanis are def white, I forgot about the kalash. I disagree however that italians intermarried with black africans, maybe caucasoid north africans though (who may in turn have slight SSA admixture).

 

Because Esau wants his red pottage back. Meaning, he wants what Israel has and how can he get it? He can pretend to be Israel. Now, isnt that an Original idea, NOT!