Who Is Behind The Alleged Attacks On Saudi Arabia?

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  1. Primus Epic

    Primus Epic Well-Known Member

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    It damn sure wasn't Iran.

    Iran, has absolutely zero to gain from such an attack - especially now with Donald Trump, only being a few months from getting removed from office. There is no economic, political or social benefit to Iran, for shaking the apple cart in such a way that would nearly guarantee a military response from the "friends" and "allies" of Saudi Arabia.

    So, who is really behind this. We know for a fact that before 911, the United States Government had already planned regime change in several middle eastern nations. Libya and Iraq, being among the several had already been toppled. Iran, was also on that hit list and has yet to be toppled. We know for a fact that Israel's Mossad were here in New York, just before the first tower was struck, had been arrested by New York City Police, was questioned and then quickly released and then showed up on an Israeli television program claiming they were only in the United States to "record the event." An event that nobody was supposed to know about prior to 911. We know this for a fact, because there was a video of these exact same Israeli Mossad Agents saying this verbatim.

    We know for a fact that US mainstream media ran cover for those involved in 911, by never asking the most obvious questions about where the hell the aircraft went both in Shanksville and in Arlington. Our media never questioned either United or American for not standing with the NTSB and the FAA in front of cameras to give routine and customary reports on Parts Identification as has been done since the inception of the FAA and NTSB and for every single commercial aircraft that has ever gone down on American soil.

    US mainstream media reports that Iran attacked Saudi Arabia affirmatively. This is what you are being told to believe. Yet, Iran, vehemently denies any involvement whatsoever and has called for those claiming that Iran was involved to show proof that any attack originated from Iran, or was sponsored by Iran.

    You've been shown photographs and video after the fact, while being told who the perpetrator was. But, you've been given absolutely nothing that positively identifies Iran, as that perpetrator. You've simply been given a narrative and post-fact "evidence" of an attack as "proof" that it came from a particular and specific source. This is not journalism. This is the epitome of so-called Fake News.

    So, who's behind this? My vote? Simple: Mossad.

    This has Mossad's signature all over it. This is exactly what they specialize in. This is precisely how they conduct operations and this fits their agenda profile to the Nth degree possible. This is once again, Israel, attempting to gin up support in the United States for the taking down of Iran and its regime. Israel, has always wanted this. This was one of the countries on their hit list prior to 911 and the United States has always behaved like Israel's prime Bitch on the streets - doing Israel's bidding in the middle east whenever called upon.

    Why do we continually allow ourselves to be Bitch slapped by Israel? That's the much bigger question that we as Americans should all be asking ourselves. Why are we Israel's continual Bitch? We do we allow them to prostitute us they way we have over the decades in the region? Why do we continually drop to our knees to suck Israel's big one in the middle east?

    These questions have answers. Unfortunately, most of my fellow Americans are too dumbed down to even know that these questions exist or that they should in fact be asked. The answer is over 2,000 years old and unless my fellow Americans are prepared to take the blinders off and do the homework, they will never come to the realization that such questions need to be asked.

    Stop bending over for Zionism and taking it up the azz. We have been shedding American blood and giving up our treasure for these Zionist since 1947. Hell, we were even contemplating giving them a chuck of Texas, for christ's sake as a "Homeland."

    Time to wake up, folks. You are staring down the barrel of yet another 911 hoax being dripped right in front of your eyes and you aren't even blinking. My god! Wake the hell up, America!
     
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  2. Sandy Shanks

    Sandy Shanks Well-Known Member Donor

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    I see you read my article. http://politicalforum.com/index.php...n-cause-the-saudi-oil-refinery-attack.561607/

    And you want to get Trump off the hook. Blaming Israel is a worthwhile endeavor, but you are wrong.

    The official U.S. position is that Iran is to blame. So, apparently, you don't believe the Trump administration.

    The fact of the matter is, Trump backed Iran into a corner, and they have been retaliating.

    Signed during the Obama administration, the Iran nuclear deal (JCPOA) permanently barred Iran from making a nuclear bomb. In May 2018, Trump removed the U.S. from the JCPOA and reimposed the harsh sanctions that stuck a dagger into the heart of the Iranian economy. Iran’s economy came under unprecedented pressure thanks to the reimposed sanctions, especially oil sanctions, with negative 1.5 percent growth in 2018 and an expected negative 3.6 percent growth in 2019.

    Iran has bombed and seized oil tankers. While technically a member of the JCPOA, she has resumed her nuclear research in earnest. She has exceeded the amount of processed uranium. She has exceeded the level of uranium enrichment. She has shot down a very expensive American UAV that was spying on Iranian military bases.

    All of this came as a result of Trump's regretful decision in May 2018.

    Iran has every reason to attack the Saudi refinery. She wants to make the West pay for Trump's foolish decision and harsh sanctions, and this is an attack on Trump personally. Saudi Arabia is an important ally of the U.S. and the Saudi royal family have vital business relationships with the Trump Organization.

    What is Mossad's motive? The possibility Iran would be blamed for an attack they made? Possible, but that is a stretch. Trump and Netanyahu are getting along great. If it is discovered that Israel is behind the attack on a vital American ally, Israel can kiss American support goodbye.
     
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    Margot2 Well-Known Member

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    I doubt the Saudis have vital business interests with the Trumps.
     
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    The media is often blamed for what the Trump administration does. The Trump administration is blaming Iran for the attack.

    Trump's secretary of state, Mike Pompeo, blames Iran. "Tehran is behind nearly 100 attacks on Saudi Arabia while Rouhani and Zarif pretend to engage in diplomacy. Amid all the calls for de-escalation, Iran has now launched an unprecedented attack on the world's energy supply."

    It is the Trump administration that is blaming Iran. The media is simply reporting that fact.
     
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    There was no permanent ban, there was a 10 year hiatus on development (wink, wink).
     
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    I haven’t a clue but it’s strange. Allegedly the attack came from the northeast and right through the teeth of their sophisticated defense system.

    Seriously, have they ruled out a refinery explosion like BP had here in the states over a decade or so ago? A random spark can blow a refinery to hell.
     
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    Iran like most of America's enemies (Al Qaeda, ISIS, Muslim Brotherhood, Islamist jihadist, Taliban, the Chi-Coms, MS-13, illegal aliens, the drug cartels) fear Donald Trump and hate Trump and are pooping in their panties in fear that President Trump will be reelected in 2020.

    So Iran has been trying to provoke President Trump to use our military and attack Iran and starting a war in the Persian Gulf.

    They believe if Trump bombs Iran that the opposition in America known as the "Resistance" will say that Trump broke one of his campaign promises of no more stupid wars.

    First Iran shot down an American UAV (drone) in international air space hoping that Trump would retaliate with bombs.

    Both Pompeo and the generals warned Trump not to take the bait.

    Now Iran blows up Saudi Arabia's refinery praying to Allah that Trump retaliates against Iran starting a big war in the Middle East.

    The USA is no longer dependent on Musim oil from the Middle East because of Republican policies over the years... But Japan, China, Southeast Asia and somewhat Europe are.
     
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    You know why US oil production increased under the Obama administration ? Because the ppb went thru the roof and domestic producers could make a profit. The US still has the highest lift costs in the world.
     
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    It wasn't a refinery explosion.. there were 17 targets in Abqaiq and Khurais and they hit them all.
     
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    Utter nonsense. Trump, is not taken seriously by anyone anywhere in the world of leadership. He's being laughed at behind his back and told directly to his face that he's a pathological idiot - and this comes from World Leaders. So, Trump, is not pressuring anybody and especially Iran. Everyone knows that Trump, will be leaving the White House in a few months anyway. So, why would any world leader cow to Trump? It makes no sense. It just does not add up.

    Retaliating? Iran's leadership would literally have to be smoking something in chambers to come up with that as a response to the United States' "official stance" that it was behind the attacks.

    Drones? You don't use a drone for this kind of OP. This would have been classified as a special operation and run under a special unit in Iran's military. You would not utilize a weapon's platform having such a broad weapons signature - and then claim that you had nothing to do with the attacks after the fact, as there would be far too much post-fact evidence pointing directly to your military - - none of which exists in this case. You are being told things by your media because your media knows you don't know up from down, left from right, or inside from outside.

    Which is all the more reason for Iran to NOT attack Saudi Arabia, because they know the spotlight is on and they know full well that both British and the United States is behind the sentiment for regime change in Iran. Plain and simple. You put forth a premise that argues against the conclusion. If the conclusion is that Iran caused the attacks, then the presupposition that they did so in retaliation makes no sense at all - given the very nature of survival instinct. They wish to survive, not die. So, attacking a country they know to be in alignment with the West would make Iran's actions irrevocably insane.


    The United States and Great Britain conduced clandestine operation T/P Ajax in Iran. So, now what? Who is the real bad guy here?


    Iran, has no sensible reason whatsoever to attack any ally of the United States in the middle east. Iran, is under the heavy negative influence of economic sanctions which have had a deleterious impact on their broader economy and has been felt by the Iranian regime since inception. Iran, has no incentive whatsoever to increase that pressure or worsen their current plight. Any other conclusion is straight from the class of coolaid that formed it.


    This is amateurism and neo-propagandist spewing of conflated and wildly disseminated misinformation and disinformation all for the purpose of getting on with the pre-planned business of regime change in Iran, which is a notion older than World War II itself. There is nothing new here. There is no new information here. This is the same old dead horse of getting hands on Iran's Oil Production Capacity, exactly like it was in Iraq - and for the EXACT same damn reasons: Our completely dependence on Foreign Oil.

    Jimmy Carter, tried to warn you about this nearly 40 years ago. You laughed at him back then when he told you that you would be sending your Sons and your Daughters into the Middle East to fight "wars for oil and natural resources." He said verbatim nearly four DECADES ago. Here we are, nearly 4 decades later, dreaming up reasons to go into Iran.

    If it were not so obvious, it would actually be a believable Hollywood Script.


    Are you serious? How about the incremental taking of land in the Middle East? How about the Zionist Expansion Program? How about the usurpation of Middle Eastern Natural Resources? Do you realize just how much more oil there is in the Middle East as compared to the rest of ALL Western lands?

    What do you mean - what's Mossad's motive? Come on. Stop feeding the Empire.


    A stretch? Hello! Anyone home? That WAS the plan and it worked. You need to be asking yourself a much deeper question: WHY did it work? You need to be asking yourself WHY United States Mainstream Media took to the air proclaiming without question that Iran, caused these attacks. Without question and WITHOUT vetted evidence.

    That's not journalism. That's MIND CONTROL. That's called trying to get you to believe something that did not happen. Your mainstream media was heavily involved with the cover-up of 911 and the failure to ask obvious questions about the weapons involved in 911. Your mainstream media is doing the exact same thing here. That's called propaganda. That's not News. That's FAKE NEWS.


    Netanyahu, is a false PM. His election(s) was(were) rigged. He lost the last election and played the same card the Trump played here in the United States. Knowing full well that he was involved in rigging and working the elections in his favor, he (just like Trump) went out and falsely proclaimed that the elections were rigged against him.

    This is a diversion tactic. It is used to throw off the scent from what you are doing behind the scenes. You get people to believe that you are the beleaguered one. All the while, you are the one pulling the strings to advance yourself unethically and unlawfully. It is a slight of hand tactic and it worked for both Trump and Netanyahu.

    Meanwhile, the Prime Minster of Fraud, gets sued in Israel, along with his darling (convicted) wife.
     
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    I can swear that President Obama said...“We can’t just drill our way out of the problem.”


    https://www.macrotrends.net/2562/us-crude-oil-production-historical-chart


    What was the liberal Democrats and progressives response in California ?

    Raise the gasoline sales taxes until nobody can afford to drive in California.
    Tax cows also.
     
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    Once again dems stick up for the leading state sponsor of terror and attack the Jewish people...

    It’s clearly Iran.
     
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    The malcontent lefties see none of the above. They are blinded by the facts you state. It's Trump they hate so every breath he takes means another thread on orange man bad. If Trump retaliates they will whine. If Trump does nothing they will wine. Best handled by sitting back and watch Trump pull their chain which in this forum alone has inspired hundreds of thousands of threads filled with nothing but hate. In 2024 when Trump has turned over his WH keys to Niki Haley I will truly miss their banter but is she that has far bigger balls that Trump and Iran would do well not to taunt her while she is in office.
     
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    They have vital business interests in the Petrodollar that the Federal Reserve manufactures here in the United States. Now, who owns the Fed? The exact same people who own the Fed, also have an avenue named after them in Israel. Coincidence? Hardly.
     
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    This deal has nothing to do with Donald Trump. This deal was set into motion before Trump, was born. You are seeing ghosts and deeming them to be real. There is nothing "new" about this. This is the continuation of a long standing battle that you need to study in World History in order to have the slightest chance of ever understanding for what it is. This has absolutely nothing to do with current events. This is History repeating itself right before your eyes.

    Why do you think we went into Iran, with a clandestine operation back in 1953/54? It was all about the Oil back then and it is STILL all about the Oil today.
     
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    Lol, uh huh, 9-11 was a hoax. You are about as credible as the message in the fortune cookie I just ate. Lol, Mossad. Sorry pal, the Jews are not the enemy.
     
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    And, Houthi Rebels would never have been that precise, that good or that damn lucky. Ever. Mossad, on the other hand rarely misses.
     
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    And, you are about as knowledgeably of the material facts of 911 as a trained monkey. Now, show me a Boeing 757-200 in Shanksville, PA, or Arlington VA.

    Furthermore, what is a "Jew?" I know what an Eastern European looks like. I know what the former Khazarian Empire was all about. But, this whole "Jew" thing - you are going to have to explain that to me. Where did "Jews" come from? Do you know?
     
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    Sometimes you just have to laugh at what democrats on this forum are capable of saying, suggesting. What does Iran really want by attacking the Saudis? Equality? Respectability? Or is it as simple as their version of Islam isn't compatible with the Saudi version. It's like watching 1400s Europe all over again.

    Interesting that the only folks who really get hurt here are the Europeans. It isn't like ME oil is really required in the US these days, and our ability to export might supplement that markets in the interim while the Saudis repair their facilities.

    But what is it about Iran and their complete willingness to be utterly combative these days? I might be pursuaded that the Imans are running out of juice and they believe that a holy war will curb the moderates from ousting them going forward.

    In regards to the OP, it's rare that the PF gets professional propaganda spinners....
     
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    LOLOLOL.. The oil business HATES a war zone.

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    It may be a Holy War for the Iranian Mullahs.
     
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    yes. Thanks for demonstrating that despite the Obama administration the private exploration of energy was still quite successful. Even after the democratic states attempted to ban fracking.... Did you think folks weren't going to notice?
     
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    Interesting thought. Do you think the Israelis trust Trump to attack Iran?
     
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    Because the ppb was over $100.. Iraqi oil was off the market.

    Fracking has been around an in common used for 6 decades but not in the US. They needed to clean up their act.. and they did.. the fly by nights are gone.
     

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