Who Is Most Responsible for the SUCCESS of the Christian Religion?

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Who Is Most Responsible for the SUCCESS of the Christian Religion?

Poll closed May 7, 2021.
  1. Jesus

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  2. Paul

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  3. Constantine

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    50.0%
  1. FreshAir

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    you seem to be ignoring that your God needs a watchmaker or your argument that the universe needs a watchmaker is debunked - people love their myths, so they choose to believe them
     
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    A way to prove that the universe had a beginning is to refer to the Second Law of Thermodynamics. It says that everything is running down: "This law is about inefficiency, degeneration and decay. It tells us all we do is inherently wasteful and that there are irreversible processes in the universe. It gives us an arrow for time and tells us that our universe has a inescapably bleak, desolate fate."

    In other words, everything is degenerating. The universe is getting older and consequently is corrupting. If we were able to go ahead in time 100 billion years, everything we see now would have turned to dust-even the rocks and mountains. Subsequently, if the universe was eternal and didn't have a beginning, everything in it would have turned to dust trillions of years ago because of the Second Law of Thermodynamics. Therefore, the universe must have had a beginning.
     
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    Can't sustain something that doesn't exist. Jesus is the reason for the season :oldman:
     
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    yep!!!
     
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    Here's a thought...This is interesting, "Tertullian, a Christian writer from the late second and early third century, wrote that before the Romans banished John, they brought him into a coliseum and dunked him in a vat of boiling oil. When he emerged unharmed, the entire coliseum converted to Christianity. This is why some iconography shows John in a vat of boiling oil."
    Now, read this: John 21:20, "Then Peter, turning about, seeth the disciple whom Jesus loved following; which also leaned on his breast at supper, and said, Lord, which is he that betrayeth thee? 21Peter seeing him saith to Jesus, Lord, and what shall this man do? 22Jesus saith unto him, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? follow thou me. 23Then went this saying abroad among the brethren, that that disciple should not die: yet Jesus said not unto him, He shall not die; but, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee?"

    We teach that John was transliterated meaning he was made immortal until the second coming of Christ. That's what he said in this verse. The Book of Mormon has 3 apostles that were given the same blessing, the 3 Nephites. With this understanding, their work was to keep the spark of the Gospel in the world during the great apostasy period of time. So, I would say these 4 persons of interest were the greatest to keep the belief in Christ going until the time of restitution of all things and the fulness of the Gospel and Church was restored through Joseph Smith.
     
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    and no, no energy is ever lost
     
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    The Bible says that God was the first cause that brought the universe into being "in the beginning" (Genesis 1:1). So the atheist will often say that if the universe had a beginning, God Himself must have had a beginning. He was created. They maintain that He could not be eternal because of the same law, and they will often mockingly say that God, therefore, was made by another god, who was made by another god, who was made by another god, going back eternally. In other words, they say that the existence of God is ridiculous.

    That argument might have been credible if God hadn't revealed Himself throughout the whole of Scripture as being a Spirit. He is not a material being, just as our soul is not a material being. But mentioning the soul is often a problem with atheists too. They are quick to say that if something is invisible, they don't believe in it. The word soul and the word life are synonymous in the Bible. Everyone has life within their body. It's what allows us to live and move and have our being.
     
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    the bible is a myth, the bible doesn't prove itself true, anyone can write a book and inside the book say what the book says is true inside the story

    the fact is, if something super complex like a God did not need a watchmaker, neither does something less complex such as energy
     
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    Jesus rebuked the religious leaders of His time, because they didn't know the signs of the times (see Matthew 16:2-3). The Bible is not only an account of the past; it also gives us an account of the future.
     
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    again, the myth is not what proves itself true
     
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    Skeptics say that the Bible was written by men and is therefore fallible. They want to discredit it, because it's a massive wet blanket that falls on everything they love. Nitpickers come up with things such as the Bible saying if you wear cotton and wool you will go to hell. These are actually straw men. The ultimate end for these nitpickers is to dismantle the reality of hell. In order to do so they must discredit Scripture.
     
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    the Bible is written by men, men that often contradicted each other, men that said God's name was jealous


    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus+34:14&version=KJV

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    Exodus 34:14 King James Version (KJV)
    14 For thou shalt worship no other god: for the Lord, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:
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    Bible verses being difficult to understand doesn't make them self contradictory. https://answersingenesis.org/answers/books/demolishing-supposed-bible-contradictions-1/introduction/

     
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    Jesus told the people of his time, that he would come back during their generation, did he, bible got it wrong
     
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    Details are compressed because of time or length. That's not a contradiction. https://crossexamined.org/are-the-gospels-hopelessly-contradictory/

     
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    there are many contradictions in the bible, take Jesus last words for example

    Jesus' last words

    Matt.27:46,50: "And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, "Eli, eli, lama sabachthani?" that is to say, "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" ...Jesus, when he cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost."

    Luke23:46: "And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, "Father, unto thy hands I commend my spirit:" and having said thus, he gave up the ghost."

    John19:30: "When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, "It is finished:" and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost."

    if these are man's words fine, mistakes happen, but if these are God's words... hmmm
     
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    Christ never said he would come back before 70 AD. https://www.christiancourier.com/articles/1567-was-christ-mistaken-about-his-second-coming

     
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    Some gospels recording different sayings of Jesus's last words and other gospels being silent about it is not a contradiction. In history some sources quote certain facts and others omit them. Omitting facts isn't denying them.
     
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    that is most certainly a contradiction, these are supposed to be God's words.... so the same regardless what gospels

    like I said, if this is mans words, then fine, mistakes happen
     
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    Recording different sayings is not a contradiction.
     
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    if your claiming someones last words were one thing and someone else says they were somethign else, one of you is wrong

    and since the bible is God's words, then he got it wrong

    that is a huge contradiction in the bible
     
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    be much better had Jesus learned to read and write and wrote the bible himself
     

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