Who started the war in Ukraine?

Trump had nothing to do with that. That was all DNC. DNC could've ignored that stupid phone call but they decided that making Ukraine look bad was good for their political purposes. Nothing in that phone call showed Ukraine as easily manipulated. All it showed was Trump was self-serving and egotistical and the DNC was willing to sell Ukraine down the river to get to Trump.

Unlike the Bidens, there was no Quid Pro Quo.

 

There was no evidence of a quid pro quo with Biden. Trump, on the other hand, EXPLICITLY asked for a personal favor in return for additional aid. He went on to illegally withhold that aid until he was caught.

 

I've got video tape.

You've got lies.

 

Your tape is Biden talking about official US policy . . . and the policy of many of our allies in the West. And there is no evidence this guy was even investigating his son. And your own "star witness" testified that it would have been better for the company if this prosecutor stayed on. Meanwhile, my tape has Trump, after being asked about more aid, saying he needed a favor first, referring Ukraine to his PERSONAL attorney on a subject that his PERSONAL attorney had already said on the news was PERSONAL matter and not an official one. You've got lies.

 

Where's your video tape?

Hmm . . . no video tape?

Just lies . . .

 

I'm allowed to post pictures now:

According to Joe Bidden Russia made a brutal unprovoked Etc. attack on Ukraine on Feb 24th 2022,
the NATO version is somewhat different:

 

And you're lying proudly about what's on it.

Come on. Did you really think you could gaslight anyone who isn't a Putin lackey?

Tankies really are some of the most devoted fascists to ever walk the planet.

 

Everyone knows Biden lies, so he can say anything and it just gets written off as senility.

But then sometimes people believe it.

The Russia started the war by invading Ukraine is total nonsense, but most people want to believe it,
because it's a reason to get money to our weapons makers.

NATO on the other hand has to be more careful about what they say, and is subjected
to more intelligent criticism.

In this clip NATO admits refusing to avoid the Ukraine War:

 

Russia agreed to withdraw troops from East Germany on the promise that
NATO would not advance 'one inch east' of Germany promised by James Baker
then Secretary of State.

Bill Clinton broke the promise by claiming that it wasn't written down.

Well it was written down, and therefore the point made in the above clip was that it had to be signed.

That was part of the negotiations over NATO incursion into Ukraine.

 

Where's the poll?

 

My apologies, I was distracted by the garbage Joe Biden was saying and lost my cool.

 

Absolutely totally understand. Man is a complete buffoon.

 

In Biden's speech he stated that Vladimir Putin had refused to negotiate, which
I consider a grievous lie because Vladimir Putin has been trying to negotiate for
decades and Joe will hear none of it.

On Feb 23 2022 the day before moving some Russian forces into Ukraine to
protect Donetsk and other areas, Pres. Putin wrote to both the Whitehouse
and NATO stating the action he was about to take if they did not agree to
negotiate, and the Whitehouse ignored the letter and NATO stated that they
would continue to do as they were doing.

Biden's speech the following day claimed that Putin refused to negotiate
but NATO a year later actually stated that Putin's negotiating position was
in their opinion unacceptable.

So evidently Putin was negotiating, and all he wanted was some of a previous
promise to be kept, not really a big demand.

 

So NATO blew Biden's claim that Russia was refusing to negotiate
by stating what Russia's negotiating position was, just as NATO
also blew Biden's claim that Russia had started a brutal assualt
by NATO stating that the war had started 8 years earlier.

For Biden to lie seems pretty much normal, but it doesn't fit in well
with so much of the US public continuing to believe the garbage,
like the claim that Russia started the war.

Joe Biden knew about the regime change in Feb 2014 by Ass. Sec.
of State Victoria Nuland that led to Crimea breaking away and Kyiv
shelling cities in Eastern Ukraine, so how he could claim it
started in 2022 is another big lie.

That this level of lying is tolerated shows we have an even bigger
problem than just one party or both parties.

 

It is unfortunate that not only did the US start the conflict in Feb 2014
but also the US and UK prevented a peace deal in Apr 2022

 

Yes, Russia attacked Ukraine.

 

The picture came out like a microfiche so I'll type in the first half:

Former German chancellor Gerhard Schroeder is the latest figure to confirm
that a Russia-Ukraine peace deal was nearly reached in the spring of 2022.

He discussed the apparent near-success that could have brought the war in
Ukraine to an early end in an interview with Berliner Zeitung on October 21.

"At the peace negotiations in Istanbul in March 2022 with [the now defense
minister of Ukraine] Rustem Umerov, the Ukrainians did not agree on peace
because they were not allowed to.

For everything they discussed they first had to ask the Americans" Schroeder
told the German newspaper.

 

Agreement had in principle been reached on the peace talks by Apr
first 2022 (no joke) but peace was not what the US and UK wanted,
and the UK, sidekick of the US was sent to Kyiv to tell Zelensky in
person on Apr 10th not to agree to peace and that Britain would
stand with Ukraine for as long as it takes.

 

Keep the war going - Britain will stand by Ukraine as long as it takes:

 

Without a doubt the bunker runt started this whole fiasco.....it's about resurrecting USSR 2.0.

 

The war started in Feb 2014, NATO even said so:



but to avoid taking any responsibility if the US/Kyiv lost the conflict, in the US claimed the war was started by some other country, that 8 years after the conflict started, and 8 days after it became a fairy heavy bombardment, Russia sent some forces in, and that somehow started
the conflict.

 

A lot of people in the US are in de Nile about things Biden has done, because they voted for him. I am a Democrat and might have voted for him, because none of us realized a tenth of how bad he would be.

And to support Biden they are doing two things:
1. claiming 'Ukraine' (Kyiv, western Ukraine and parts of Eastern and Southern Ukraine, not all of it), is winning,

which it isn't but the media gives an endless barrage of how Ukraine has broken through the Russian defenses, even though weeks later nothing has changed.

2. and that even if 'Ukraine' isn't winning that it isn't Biden's fault because he didn't start the war. Well, to be historically correct President Biden did not start the conflict which grew into a war, he was Vice President at the time.

 

A documentary film on the start of the conflict in Ukraine was produced
by a team that includes Oliver Stone, the film is called
'Ukraine on Fire' and came out in 2016.

 

A complimentary question to 'who started the war?' and 'when and where did it start?', would be:

'What is the overall purpose of the war in Ukraine?'.

The 'why' question,
possibly better phrased as 'who hoped to gain from the war in Ukraine?'

The overall picture was to repeat the collapse of the USSR back in 1989 by
once again threatening the public into capitulating.

The tactic was to 'bait and bleed' Russia, or as an official put it, to
'bleed Russia white' in a war in Ukraine, and then when Russian forces
withdrew, to place missiles in Ukraine to threaten the Russian public.

After capitulation the Russian Federation government would be replaced by an organization
of 18 small republics and then US and other, oil companies would be able
to negotiate favorable prices for oil and gas.

However the way things are going, on the ground though not yet in the media,
that's now just a pipedream.