Who started the war in Ukraine?

The Biden Administration and the neo cons are trouble causers disrupting peaceful
co-existence, beloved by the media who are owned by the weapons makers who
benefit from war and hate peace.

While Russia is in a NATO partnership for peace, the main member of NATO, the USA
has come under the control of the neocons, leading to an interesting situation:



Russia is a partner for peace, but the US neocons have a plan to take over Russia and break it up:

 

"Russia is a partner for peace"?

Why the invasion of Ukraine then?

 

You make breaking up RuZZia sound like a bad thing?

 

There was no 'invasion of Ukraine'.

The primary move of the Russian Federation was to protect Donetsk from
the Kyiv controlled forces of the 'Ukrainian Armed Forces' on Feb 24th 2022.
And those forces are still there and built the Surovikin Line.

At the opening of the present 'hot' stage of the war, after the U.S.
weapons arrived, and were put into use about Feb 16th 2022, the
Russian Federation moved fast units down toward Kyiv.
A peace agreement was made and the Russian Federation withdrew
the units.

The Istanbul Peace Treaty was then rejected prior to final signature
though after agreement by both parties, on the grounds that Zelenskyy
would be supplied with the full technical support of the US and UK
'for as long as it takes' to win.

That was on Apr 1st 2022 that the treaty was cancelled, and now we
all know that Zelenskyy was the fool.

 

Sorry to inform you....but there is/was an invasion of Ukraine.....basically everyone else agrees.

Your argument is a lost cause.

 

"A lie can get halfway around the world before the truth can even get its boots on."

The quote "A lie can get halfway around the world before the truth can even get its boots on"
is often attributed to Mark Twain, although there is some debate about its origins.
This quote highlights the challenge of correcting misinformation once it has spread widely.

 

1997 :: The only thing that could provoke a "vigorous and hostile" Russian response would be needless NATO Expansion Far East right till the border of Russia - Sen. Joe Biden

 

Here she is, the 'point person' in the coup that started the conflict
in Feb 2014. She was telling the CIA what to do and who to place
in the new government.

And it looks like the US has now given up on ever winning and
so she is no longer of use to us.

 

Who started the war in Ukraine?

If it was me I wouldn't own up.

Nor would our gov't.

 

Without NATO, the US would not have gotten involved in Kosovo. You want more actions like those we did in Kosovo, don't you (only next time, as John McCain wanted, there needs to be boots and the ground and US casualties)? I mean, while the US is under invasion, we need to protect people on the other side of the planet.

 

nope, we don’t need the US involved in actions like Kosovo.

 

But... but.. but... without more Kosovo type actions, what topic will the New York Times use to suggest Democrats cut Social Security and Medicaid as, "Americans need to feel the pain"???!??!! Next you'll be telling us you think even petty criminals should face some sanction for their crimes or businesses will bug out from poorer communities and worse.

 

Indeed the Department of Defense has never been keen on doing defense.

Where were they on 9/11? and
when our Southern Border is being flooded, they are heavily involved in
supplying weapons and conducting the battles in a country over next to
Russia.

spending billions on weapons there and completely neglecting the actual
problem we have here.

If a water pipe broke in your house would you go off to another country and
cut their water pipes to fix it?

 

war for war's sake has been around for ages

 

The Biden claim that Russia started the war is necessary to
avoid blame if/when we lose, and any possible fall out for
any reason, like if 600,000 people end up dying, and that's
about the total so far.

 

I had a conversation in real life about who started the War in Ukraine
the other person said it was Russia because Russia is evil and wants
to control other countries Etc.

Then I met him a week later and he was talking to someone else and
explained that the world is over populated and wars are one of the
ways the population was kept under control.

My guess is he was justifying the 3 million Vietnamese the US killed
in the war in Vietnam, or 1 million by sanctions mostly in the Wars
in Iraq.

So when the US starts wars that's OK but Russia would be evil if
they did.

I have to agree with him on that because Russia does not share that
philosophy that life is cheap.

 

Life is not cheap, and that is why Russia and Ukraine were able to
reach an agreement to end the fighting on Apr 1 2022, when the hot
stage of the war had been running for only 5 weeks.

 

Putin started the war in Ukraine. Get real.

 

Not only did Putin start the war in Ukraine, he started the war in Georgia and Chechnya II as well. He even bombed his own country and blamed it on Chechnya to have an excuse to start the 2nd war in Chechnya. A false flag operation.

 

So has fire, but it doesn't mean it's ok to set someone's house on fire.

Russia left the USSR before Ukraine did.
And both negotiated differences for three decades until Joe and the
Democrats sent a whole pile of weapons and artillery shells over to
so the Ukrainian fascists could use those in the negotiations, and then
the war started.

I've heard people in real life telling me the weapons were sent over
to ensure a war did not start.

 

I have to ask..

Are you some kind of Russian plant or something?

Thats sure what it seems like. A Putin bootlicker if I ever saw one. You remind me in many ways of the orange stupid man who you will likely vote for I assume. If your actually really an American and not down in some basement in the Kremlin.


Russia invaded Ukraine. Anyone who believes differently is either willfully ignorant, or so out of touch with reality that their opinion mean nothing.

 

I tend to be more interested in statements that can be verified or
disproven.

[President Biden Holds a Press Conference Feb 24th 2022]

"Sorry to keep you waiting

The Russian military has begun a brutal assault on the people of Ukraine without provocation, without justification, without necessity.
This is a premeditated attack..."

Biden appears to be claiming the war was starting that very day, or at
least in the present.

The Gen Sec of NATO stated very clearly that the war had already
been going on for 7.5 or 8 years depending on which event in 2014
you consider to be the start of the war.

Russia could not have started the war in 2022 if it had already been
going on since some point in 2014. I needn't specify when. You really
need to go on ignore.

 

The US weapons makers need wars to get a good income, so
their version of how the conflict started was that if only we had
sent over a lot more weapons then Russia would not have dared
to move forces in.

The chronology of the escalation shows that supplying weapons
to Ukraine led to increased shelling of Donetsk, reaching about
1,000 shells per day on Feb 19th, which caused Russia to move
forces in to protect Donetsk on Feb 24th.

But Joe Biden claims Russia made an attack without justification,
without necessity Etc.

 

What I really want is for the war to stop.

600,000 dead is enough to stop and assess whether this war is worth it.

What is the purpose of the war anyway?

I do listen to the people who believe the news, and they claim the war
is for the right of Ukraine to join NATO.

But Ukraine does not have a right to join NATO,

so what is the point,

and does it really matter that much?

So many wars start with enthusiasm and after way too long eventually
come to an end.