Why are Republicans so opposed to vote by mail?

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  1. Le Chef

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    "Simply" ... (anyone else think that's funny?) You can't be bothered to go to the polls but your going to jump through the hoops to get a biometric signature on file with the government? Yes, it would work, but you're making something complicated out of something simple for the majority of us. Just go down there. It's open from about 6 a.m. to 9 p.m. and you have all year yo plan for it.

    Extend early voting? More than it already is? How about year round voting? I can't speak for others, but I have always thought voting on any day other than election day to be odd and should be exceptional, not routine. It's called election day because that's the day we vote. There's something slovenly about early voting, like wearing an undershirt and shorts to court, or hunting while wearing pajamas, or shopping for Christmas presents in July, that kind of thing, or watching a movie on your iPhone at the dinner table. You either respect tradition and custom or you don't, but that respect is makes special occasions special.

    Plus Election Day sort of unites us. We all get exactly the same number of days to think about the candidates.
     
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    I have no issues going to vote; I have reliable transportation, make my own work schedule, live in an area where polls are not randomly closed or moved because <reasons>... I am trying to make voting easier for all. If you have to pathetically attempt to demean anyone even attempting to address issues then your narrative is likely a fraudulent one.

    LOL.
    Expected I guess, I would explain what tradition and custom actually are but I won’t bother — your reasoning is... interesting. Almost shallow.
     
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    If you want to revolutionize election procedures and institute biometric signatures, then no, you have no sense of what tradition is, and even if you did, you're still just looking for something to complain about. People will always find an excuse to complain about duties and responsibilities.

    "We're extending voting to 30 days after election day, because people face hardship and every vote counts!!"

    "30 days? You mean I only have 30 days past the deadline? Why not 29 or 31? What kinda fascist justice is dat?"

    You've got all year to plan how to get down there, all year, and you still can't do it. Obviously exceptions have to be made for extraordinary situations, invalids and so on. Even Trump acknowledged this yesterday

    Anyway you asked what our objections were, as though you wanted to know, and I told you. So you don't really want to know. You are just complaining.
     
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    Vote-by-mail means all registered voters have a ballot mailed to them.

    there is no honest reason to oppose such a thing
     
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    Voting by mail means ALL registered voters get a ballot mailed to them.

    Then all we have to do is mail the ballot back, and our vote is counted.

    No need to go to the polling station and wait on line for hours.

    No WONDER Republicans oppose voting by mail!!!!
     
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    if only one ballot gets mailed to each registered voter, that means the correct number of votes will be counted.

    how exactly does vote-by-mail facilitate more cheating?
     
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    It's voter suppression, pure and simple.
     
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    If one really can't get his mom to drive him down to the polling station like everyone else, we might make an except for him. I dont know why we should. But he can walk as far as I'm concerned.

    We've turned into a nation of lazy, entitled Karens.
     
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    please list some good reasons why Vote-by-mail is a bad idea
     
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    I already explained that in response to some other guy that doesn't like rules. They send one ballot to my address because I'm registered. If it were stolen from the mailbox and filled in by, say, YOU, and mailed in, there'd be no remedy. There's also going to be a question of pickup, and delivery, and receipt. You're creating hurdles that you apparently can't or won't see. Then you've got the question of timeliness. If I mail in the ballot on election day, or even two days before if I live in Philly or Newark or Chicago, god knows when it will get there. What if it arrives a day late?

    But rather than put the burden on me to explain why it's bad, why dont you explain why voters can't be bothered to get off the couch and go down there and pull a lever. It's so simple.

    OBVIOUSLY exceptions can be made for seriously disabled invalids, though again you've then got to assume the guardian won't, under your system, take the ballot and fill it in himself for whomever he wants and mail it in. I'd prefer the invalid have his vote counted by going in person, in a wheelchair, with his ID. Come to think of it, most invalids want to be treated like everyone else.

    You're also ignoring the burden it places on polling officials to change a system that works fine.

    Save us all a headache, please, stop complaining and just go down there. It won't kill you.
     
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    You can't get off the couch and go in person like everyone else has for over 200 years?

    How did this country get so lazy?
     
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    yes, mail ballots can get stolen.

    but so can Social Security and Unemployment checks. Do we require folks go pick those up in person as well?

    Trump mailed tens of millions of Covid stimulus checks. Why not require people to pick them up so no fraud? hmmmm?

    as for mailing the filled out ballots, they should be postmarked no more than one week before election day and up to election day. any ballots mailed before that should be disqualified and after election day, disqualified. we have to have rules.

    we may not find out for a few days or even a week who won the election. oh well, no big deal.
     
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    oh, I see, so US military personnel are lazy?

    folks who send absentee ballots are lazy?

    wow. so much judgement here.
     
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    I started voting by mail when I had cancer several years ago. I see no need to risk my health because Republicans want to cheat.
     
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    I am going to apply for an Absentee Ballot right now.

    I am required to vote in my neighborhood, but I would rather just mail the damn thing.
     
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    I already said exceptions can be made and am happy to make one for cases such as yours. But having people show up in person with an ID to vote is not cheating, LOL.

    This is really absurd.
     
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    Can't be bothered to go down there, eh?

    Is anybody else getting the impression that voting isn't really as important to Democrats as they claim?
     
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    What part of "I already said exceptions can be made" is not computing here?

    Anyway, you seem at least to be acknowledging that most people have no excuse. Thank God for small favors.
     
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    why should i or anyone else have to wait on line for possibly hours?

    i have lower back issues that can be painful if i have to wait standing too long

    so i shall vote by mail!!
     
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    Lol, can't be inconvenienced, not in the slightest, just one day out of the year, like everybody else, to make sure your vote is actually counted, eh?

    Well, it's a free country.
     
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    thats why voting by mail is available to ALL in 28 states, no reason required.

    the rest require a reason that you can just make up, no questions asked. Just say you wont be in town that day.


    https://www.vote.org/absentee-ballot/

    https://www.usa.gov/election-office
     
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    In 25 years, people will be complaining that they have to buy a stamp to mail it in. Then they will need paid transportation to the post office. Any objection will be met with cries if "voter suppression and racism."

    Then it will be "Why can't I text my vote?"

    Then "Why doesn't someone come to my house to text it for me?"

    Ultimately, it's why do we need to vote? The Party knows what's best.

    I actually had a young guy in France make that argument to me once. I don't think he's alone in his mental submission to the State.
     
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    So because I want to modernize and update a system to be easier to use means I have no sense of tradition? I m sure that made sense when you wrote it...

    You could have just said ‘we want to make it as difficult as possible to vote’ and saved some of the rant.
     
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