Why are we, as conservatives, so against immigration reform?

I am very conservative fiscally. I am in favor of immigration reform. I am not in favor of foreigners being granted citizenship with no background checks as they were in 1999 so they can vote in the next election.

I have infinitely more respect for Mexicans who work than I do for Americans who refuse to work.

 

Why do you believe it would be better to engender newer forms of corruption instead of better morals, by simply bearing true witness to our own supreme law of the land. Our Founding Fathers provided for every contingency.

 

I have infinitely more respect for Americans who want to work and can't get hired anywhere, while Mexican invaders swipe what should be those Americans' jobs. I also have more respect for those unemployed Americans than than I have for criminal American employers, who hire illegal aliens, and for politicians who sell their souls for votes, issuing work visas to foreigners, when we have 14 million (govt figure) Americans unemployed.

 

When unemployment was low,immigration was not as much of a problem as it is now, but it still was a major problem in accordance with the many problems that it brings, as I itemized in post # sixty eight. It also sets up a future problem with unemployment when unemployment becomes high. That "future" is now.

 

Americans first. Now and always.

 

Don't forget free c-sections and free ICU care for their sick newborns.

If they were treated like animals then they would probably have stayed home.

I say charge illegals' anchor babies $3000 per social security number.

 

What in the blue hell does that have to do with my post?

 

I am not sure why one of the largest economies in the world would have a problem with immigration, and not have it affect its standing as one of the largest economies in the world. What you are describing is not a problem with immigration, but with mediocre public policy choices which don't actually solve our social dilemmas in a market friendly manner.

 

im not against reform but some rules that benefit illegals need to be changed.

illegals should not have any rights here what so ever, their anchor babies should not be considered american citizens or recieve any kind of welfare from the USA tax dollars.

every reason illegals come here should be taken away, illegals neeed to be truly shown they are not welcome.

fine do an immigration reform, but illegals that are here now or on their way here should not at all benefit from it. they should not benefit anything from this country.

 

California

 

It has more to do with actually providing a market based solution to our problem instead of merely trying to solve for the symptoms of our problem, with the coercive use of force of a State.

 

Maybe because our money based, mixed-market, political-economy is what got us into this problem in the first place. Greed freak business owners wishing to increase their profits by reducing their labor costs, by hiring cheap foreign labor, all at the expense of the American worker, the American economy, and state and local treasuries.

 

There is no market based solution. The "market" is the problem.

 

How can that be, when others are willing to claim that it is the socialism of Statism and our Government that is the problem and that the private sector has only market based solutions to everyone's problem, if only they had enough money.

 

All true what you say. But what also is needed is to take Mexico to task. For decades they have been pillaging the USA for hundreds of Billion$$$ by virtue of a new type of imperialism. One without armies, but instead using their poor people to invade the victim nation and drain it $$$ in two ways.

1. By having the US pay Mexico's poverty bill (more illegal Mexicans are on welfare in the US than Americans) using false IDs and the anchor baby racket.

2. By remittances. $25 Billion/year being sent from Mexican immigrants to their people in Mexico, all re-inserted into the Mexican economy, when those folks spend that money in the stores in Mexico.

Americans need to wake up to the fact that our "friendly neighbor" to the south has been pillaging us for really big buck$$$$$$, and for a long time now. What do George Bush & Obama do when the presidents of Mexico (presiding over this massive mugging) come here ? They invite him to the White House for a Mexican fiesta party.

 

The Market cannot be the problem or our Founding Fathers would not have specifically enumerated a republican form of Government, with a de facto duopoly of a public sector and a private sector as a requirement, and for securing rights to private forms of property, arbitraged through Markets.

 

In my opinion, we may be better off simply goading the government of that federal republic to simply establish better forms of welfare, so their citizens can better compete with us, with a first world work ethic instead of simply making us look bad with a third world work ethic.

 

Let me bottom line it for you. There are 14 Million American citizens out of work. There are approx 8 to 10 million illegals occupying legitimate jobs in the United States. Even if a full 1/3rd were farm jobs Americans won't do, that's approx 5 million jobs that they would. That would mean we could reduce unemployment by 33% id the Government would simply enforce the laws on the books right now.

Make eVerify mandatory for employment and ALL government benefits. Then take away their ability to keep legitimate jobs with phony or stolen social security numbers. The SSA and IRS are all too well aware of multiple people using a single social security number. With modern computer databases, it wouldn't be hard to pluck out all the duplicate, non issued or under age users excepting the original issuee. Then send notices to their employers the duplicate users payments are coming from that there appears to be an error and they must verify the social security number within 30 days or face massive fines and jail time.

This is a simple cost effective way to open up approx 5 million existing jobs to the 14 million out of work citizens. It will also save Billions in Government benefits going to those who circumvented the legal immigration process and aren't entitled to benefits that should be going to out of work American Citizens..

Why do Democrats and Liberals put the interest of illegals over American citizens? Just another good reason to throw them all out in Nov 2012.

 

Why not actually solve for a natural rate of unemployment through market friendly forms of public sector intervention in the market for labor instead of incurring more cost by adding more, unnecessary and improper use of the police power, as a tax burden?

 

yep, and they laugh leaving knowing they just got more free (*)(*)(*)(*) thanks to our tax dollars.

its about time we built a great wall between us and Mexico, put our military across the whole border and let them fly helicopters armed to the teeth to guard our country from invaders and drug cartels.

get rid of the border patrl because they simply suck and are too easily manipulated.

and one last thing, give mexico a free bill of health, but let them know every time an illegal causes us to waste our tax dollars on them that mexico will either pay us back double the amount spent to catch him or whatever he sent home or the illegal will simply be put to death.

time to get nasty, our cutry has suffered long enough.

 

$45 billion dollars made in the United States and sent out of the country to be spent elsewhere. That's $45 billion that could be added to OUR economy. Any wonder why it's not recovering? Why won't the Obama administration do anything about it like make eVerify mandatory and use the IRS and SSA databases to ferret out the illegals, illegally working in our system? Just another very good reason the throw the Democrat bums out come Nov 2012.

 

Why not actually solve this socioeconomic dilemma on a permanent basis through Commerce that is well Regulated among the several States of the Union, instead of not solving it for political passions and political profits of the moment?

 

why are conservativs so against immigration reform? Do ya think it might be the fact that we been betrayed by the left in the past?? During Reagan's administration, the left wanted reagan to give amnesty to 300,ooo which turned into 3,000,000 in EXCHANGE for border security and a worker program. And as usual the left said they would and then reneged. Fool me once and you're not gonna fool me twice.

 

Most alleged conservatives cannot seem to tell the difference between forms of Communism and Capitalism.

 

If you would state specifically what the hell you're talking about instead of some vague yammer about "Commerce that is well Regulated among the several States of the Union", you just might get somebody to answer your question.