Why are we regulating women, not men?

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  1. FoxHastings

    FoxHastings Well-Known Member

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    Just as silly as you wanting laws AGAINST urges....LOL!!
     
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    I partly agree, I did drugs when younger, never got arrested, but I kept it on the down low

    many around me that choose to smoke in public, got arrested and ruined their lives

    part of it is if you are secretive or not, the trick is to stay out of public and in smaller groups and do not attract attention, and if you do go somewhere high, do not take your drugs with you, anyone walking around with drugs on their body 24\7 is asking for trouble

    that said, I support ending the war on drugs, as there will always be some that abuse, legal or not, just like with alcohol, the rest of us, just having a little fun or relaxation

    it's the war on drugs that ruins people's lives more so than the drugs themselves - getting busted is a PTSD event for many
     
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    We should if we could but nature unfortunately leaves women holding the bag.
     
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    What about physical threats or coerce to having sex in the 1st place?
     
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    But does not have to stay home night after night because one can't find a babysitter. Man, Pay money. Go have fun. Woman. Have baby. Stay home.
     
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    Or pregnancy
     
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    dairyair Well-Known Member

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    You know, any menstruating woman/girl can get pregnant? As early as even 12 yrs old
     
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  9. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No, we can assume his act of (vaginal) intercourse carried the innate probability of pregnancy.

    Do you have a point?

    Are you saying 12 year old girls are too young to accept responsibility for sexual actions and a resulting pregnancy?
     
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    And he should carry the pregnancy to birth and the next 18 legal years.

    Yes, 12 yrs old is too young to accept responsibility. You needed to ask that?
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No, of course not. There is adoption, or the parents could help her raise it. Sometimes they can raise the baby like her younger sister.

    In many Christian communities, sometimes there's a kindly older couple in the neighborhood who are willing to adopt and help raise it, and the biological mother can still visit and see her baby.
     
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    So you agree a 12 yr old girl is not responsible to raise a baby.
    I agree.

    Sometimes? What about the other times when no one is available?
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Then there is adoption.
     
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    I said no one. Adoption isn't guaranteed.

    What about the strain on the body of carry a pregnancy to term or giving birth. Some women die in birth.

    Meanwhile the man/boy gets none of those problems.

    So the OP asked a question. You think women have to bear 100% of the issues. All the man/boy has to do is give money if the pregnancy is completed.
    A big cop out.
     
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    But you agree it's nuts, right?

    And no one is currently legislating against the indulgence of urges. Even if abortion was outlawed entirely, it still wouldn't be a law against indulging urges.
     
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    Women have been 2nd class since the beginning of time. They claim it's because Eve ate an apple and conned Adam.

    It just ticks me off how ridiculous it is for these self-righteous control freaks to look down their noses at how men in Afghanistan and China treat their women like they are much better. Total BS nonsense.
     
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    Statistically, white people are arrested and convicted less often that non-white people. Sure, there may be a handful like you that didn't get caught, but IF you did, it is almost guaranteed the charges would be less harsh than for other races for the same offense.

    For example, look at the way posters here frame the riots involving Antifa and BLM. It has been shown that most of the looters and violent people are tagger-ons and not part of those groups but they all get lumped together. But, thousands of people participated in a riot at the Capitol with the intention of finding our Vice-President (and possibly causing him harm - it's irrelevant that they didn't succeed. Assault is a crime and it doesn't require completion of the threat). That's being framed as "people getting a little out of hand and only trespassing" or "they were invited". That's a perfect example of white privilege. Senator Johnson even said that he wasn't afraid but would have been had it been BLM. And, this overall exaggerating (for minorities) and minimizing (for non-minorities) is a huge contributor to why groups like BLM and Antifa even exist.
    Again, statistically, white people are arrested less often and convicted less often than non-white people. The people around you that you describe as ruining their lives by smoking in public, if they were white, they most likely had several warnings BEFORE they were actually arrested and convicted.
    I've never done drugs but that advice might good for someone bumping into this thread. ;-)

    I tried marijuana a couple of times but it didn't do anything to me. Beer and wine don't make me drunk and Rx medications almost never work the way they are supposed to in my system. I have no idea why that is. It's weird (and frustrating since there aren't too many alternatives when the few medications for specific conditions simply don't work).
    The AMA is the biggest drug dealer in the country.

    The "War on Drugs" was never about ending the drug trade. If it was, it would have targeted drug DEALERS, not drug users. The top dogs are bringing drugs into the country and distributing them to small time local dealers who have their own crews to sell them to the end-user. Believe it or not, many of the *higher ups* are the same people that publicly denounce drug trafficking (in much the same way pedophiles publicly denounce human trafficking). It is never possible to solve a problem at the end. It has to be addressed at the source. This is why I'm a strong advocate toward helping trouble children BEFORE they become juvenile delinquents and adult criminals. And, sadly our lawmakers aren't very interested in addressing this issue because children don't vote so the dysfunctional cycles continue unabated.
    I am a former police officer and I've been beaten up by police officers a few times (messy divorce with psycho ex making up stuff). Unless there is ABSOLUTELY no other way known to man to solve a problem, I would NEVER suggest that anybody call the police for anything and most certainly don't call Child Protective Services if you are sincerely concerned about a child. That never helps and usually makes things worse.

    The whole system is broken and, unfortunately, like you mention, many people don't know that until they are in the thick of it and are traumatized. And, to make matters worse, the system is set up so we aren't reforming anybody or providing the tools they need to return to society as productive adults. Basically, all we're doing is making better criminals. They have nothing to do except talk to hardened criminals. That's a recipe for disaster.
     
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    Why do you guys always bring up abortion as if it is the most self-evident and easiest thing in the world? Imagine the psycho.ogical pain of knowing you are carrying your pregnancy to terms for somebody else, completely against your will.

    Not to mention the messed up fostercare system that often puts children in a very unfase environment to grow up in. How many are really willing to adopt anyways? Is there really a shortage of foster-children and an excess of foster-parents? I would not think so and imagine what would happen to the supply if abortion was illegal...

    What if her parents cannot help her raise it? And even if they can, why should she go through 9 months pregnancy knowing she is not a capable parent?

    Do you really want to impose this kind of emotional and psychological pain on women?

    And in many Christian communities, the woman who gets pregnant out of wedlock is shunned and excommunicated...

    This does not really matter though since the standard of value is always the life of the woman. No matter how awesome and kind her social network is, she has no obligation to birth them a baby. No matter how much her family is willing to help her out, the decision is hers and only hers to make. It is her life.

    What would you tell a female family member or female friend who has good trust for you and therefore comes to you to tell you she is unwillingly pregnant, but scared to have an abortion because of what people will think of her?
     
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    it may be different where different people live, so our experiences may differ, bad cops and bad judges in some areas may favor one race over the other, but at least here, it seems to be about equal, the commonality I notice is the ones busted dress for it, and look the part and are loud, draw attention to themselves... white or black
     
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    LOL....how about discussing something meaningful or pertinent, or practical.......
     
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    Religious right judges are releasing rapists?

    Lol! Maybe it's the 5,000 Taliban who are releasing them!
     
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    the 5000 Taliban that Trump released during his surrender deal with the Taliban?
     
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    YOU believe they are?????

    WHY?
     
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    I refuse to accept kazenatsu was being serious. There is just no way that was not posted ironically.
     
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    Uh, no.
     

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