False equivalence. Men can get pregnant; however, it's rare and if a man has gone through the medical process to be able to gestate, he CLEARLY *wants* to have a baby so there are practically no risks of abortion in those cases. Secondly, yes, I absolutely believe the laws would change to regulate WOMEN if men becoming pregnant happens in the way it happens with women (outside the above example) - rape, coercion, human trafficking, irresponsibility, etc.. They wouldn't word it gender-specific but they'd find a way to make it all about regulating women and the choices they can make about their bodies. Just take a look at the procedure for breast examinations (usually to check for cancer) and the procedure for prostate exams. Women are still subjected to very painful squeezing of the breast(s) between two flat plates in various positions while the prostate exam has been improved to the point of being basically painless. AMA calibrates its research and development for white males. Everybody else is secondary.
the Bible seems to be in support of same gender marriage, the bible says it's better for all people to stay unmarried, but if you're gonna burn with passion if you don't, then it's better to marry http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1 Corinthians 7:8-9&version=NIV " 8 Now to the unmarried and the widows I say: It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I am. 9 But if they cannot control themselves, they should marry, for it is better to marry than to burn with passion. "
It's actually beyond stupid because you will find posts about how we don't treat our women like those savages in Afghanistan treats theirs and women hold all the power here. We might not use burkas and stoning but this isn't too far off that mark. They won't even wear masks and get vaccinated but want to tell someone else what they should do with their own body and about 18 years of their time and money. Beyond ridiculous.
No doubt. However, women don't make as much money as men (on the dollar) for the same job but that's a whole other subject about "equality" in this hypocritical country.
I think that is the issue with child support, it works for those that make more, but not for the poor it could be the intent was to make poorer men think twice about getting a woman pregnant by seeing the money troubles it cause other men in their lives I do think if they ever get a full proof male birth control pill, birth rates will plummet, especially if it could be like a shot or implant, parents all over the country would get those for their son when a teen, say it will help them with their complexion
I'm a former police officer and former child abuse advocate (not concurrently). People that believe unwanted kids WILL be taken care of are bordering on some kind of delusions. That's not how it works in real life. Unwanted kids typically end up abused and neglected, abandoned and homeless (where they are usually kidnapped and forced into prostitution just to have a place to eat and sleep (according to what their pimps decide)). Some of them commit suicide due to being rejected. Others turn to a life of crime (to survive). Adoptions are few and far between. Foster care is a coin toss (some people do it just for the money and end up abusing and/or neglecting the kids entrusted in their care) but group homes are the most common and those are usually understaffed and/or have abusive staff members. I have NEVER met one person that lived in a group home as a child that was NOT sexually abused. Not a single one. But, when people get on the horn and call Child Protective Services they assume they are *helping*. They aren't. And, the very people that want to force a woman to bring a child into the world that she doesn't want are NOT the people working and/or volunteering in... hospitals when that kid is abused juvenile detention centers when that kid starts with petty crimes mental health facilities to help children struggling at home due to abuse and/or neglect providing financial support to a single mother in need providing emotion support to a single mother in need providing community support to single mothers in need providing food and clothing to help a child a need providing transportation to help a child in need finding resources for a single mother and child in need etc. They make these choices for other people's lives with absolutely NO CLUE or CONCERN about what happens to those unwanted children. It's not only judgmental, an infringement on somebody else's rights, it's PURE EVIL. ---------------------------------- More here... http://www.politicalforum.com/index...as-abortion-law.591778/page-3#post-1072911776 http://www.politicalforum.com/index...-for-abortions.575488/page-23#post-1071929062 http://www.politicalforum.com/index...-should-be-overturned.591703/#post-1072905003 http://www.politicalforum.com/index...-should-be-overturned.591703/#post-1072904936 http://www.politicalforum.com/index...-should-be-overturned.591703/#post-1072904961 http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/why-are-we-regulating-women-not-men.591788/ http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?posts/1072911278/ http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?posts/1072910229/
Anecdotes... The story that haunts me the most is a little girl I met in a children's hospital when I was in high school. Our class volunteered to make taffy apples for the kids for Halloween. She was about 9 years old and couldn't get out of her bed so they wheeled her into the community room so she could enjoy the festivities. Her mom didn't want her and felt trapped in her marriage (shotgun wedding) so she had multiple affairs. The father grew angrier and angrier as this happened constantly. He went looking for his wife and couldn't find her. He came back home, tucked their 9 year old daughter in bed and tucked her sheets under the mattress tightly so she couldn't get out. He poured an accelerant on the linings and set her on fire. I survived some horrible things at the hands of my own abusive parents, have seen more than most people can ever imagine but that little girl's precious smile amid all she had been through is one memory I will never forget. -------------------------------------------- I was friends with a counselor in a group home. He was a nice guy and he had chosen to go into that field because he was an unwanted child who was abandoned. He was never adopted so he lived there until he turned 18. During his years in the group home he had been raped by older boys and some older girls and several staff members. Think about that. I know it's hard. For his WHOLE LIFE he was repeatedly raped hundreds of times. He put himself through school, got his license and started working in group homes because he understood what those kids often go through. -------------------------------------------- Outside my roles as LEO and advocate, I have met SIX women whose single mother walked out. Literally, just left them at home one day and left. All of them were in the 14-17 year range so they could take care of themselves to an extent. All six dropped out of high school. None of them knew basic personal hygiene. 5 of them didn't know how to use a washer or dryer. 4 of them turned to prostitution (as an aside, not a full-time thing) 2 of them were so mentally broken they couldn't work or interact socially Unwanted children do not typically become cops and advocates or counselors. Most of them become criminals (understandable when you can't get a job or a place to live) and many of them end up in prison. So, it's NOT that people in prison are "all bad". Some are. Most aren't. They are BROKEN and what do we do with that brokenness? We punish them and then shun them once they've paid their debt to society. Basically, EVERY sentence is a life sentence for a felon. Our system is irretrievably broken and this topic is one of the main contributors.
I hear you. Here's my problem with that. A man is REQUIRED to be an active participant for a woman to get pregnant (we aren't talking about wanted pregnancies and sperm banks). Yet, it's men that want these kind of laws. Wouldn't it be easier to (1) NOT have sex, or (2) NOT have indiscriminate sex, or (3) NOT have unprotected sex, or (4) NOT get in a woman's business when she becomes pregnant due to her own lack of judgment in having the above types of sex with someone?
not sure what you're asking, not having sex is just not realistic for most... I think a male birth control would help but it would also help if 50% of the time the courts gave the child to the man imo
That's the point. It makes no sense to punish women if sexual urges are so strong that one is having sex for any purpose other than procreation. I'm not sure that's the answer. Have you ever tried to get a man to go to a doctor? They are a higher risk on actuarial tables because it's so common that they don't go to the doctor regularly. Beyond that, many men I know believe that their "masculinity" IS the ability to impregnate a woman. I know men that are only turned on by pregnant women. And, then we get the problem in reverse when a man stops taking his birth control and the woman gets pregnant. That's be fun for the courtroom. Would you care to expound on that?
oh I agree, I am pro-choice, woman should not be forced to have children most parents would have their sons on a shot like depo provera for teens if they could those men you can't help, they gonna have kids what would change, women stop taking birth control and get pregnant all the time, is that fun in the courtroom if the courts gave the child 50% of the time to men, and 50% of the time to women, both genders would see their gender suffering from paying child support and may be more careful
Oh! I read your earlier comment of men getting the kids 50% of the to mean they awarded full custody 50% of the time. I'm sleepy. The system isn't fair. I lost my children for no reason and there's nothing I can do about it. I'm just biding my time until they are old enough to say they want to be a part of my life. It's hard. It hurts quite a bit too especially when I've met so many families in which a parent should lose custody.
sorry to hear that yeah, it's crazy, some cases they should not separate, they do, and other they should and do not, it all depends on the judge
FoxHastings said: ↑ But you are just fine with men using threats and physical force to force a woman to gestate... No, I mean men passing laws that force women to gestate...and dancing in delight as women suffer...
FoxHastings said: ↑ But you are just fine with men using threats and physical force to force a woman to gestate... EXACTLY !!!!!
Not to mention that these people on the Right do not want "brown people" from Latin America in America "because they will change the culture" and "do not respect the Constitution", yet here they are turning Texas into Nicaragua with this new backwards abortion legislation.
So you seem to be touching on the racist factor that's keeping abortion legal. Can we agree to try to stay on topic? Or are we going to try to touch on all the different abortion tropes that make religious/conservative pro-lifers look bad.
That's funny. Religious/conservative pro-lifers MAKE THEMSELVES look bad. They don't need your or my help.
Once again, Robert, you are wrong. Abortion was legal in 3 states prior to Roe v. Wade, and 16 other states allowed abortions under some circumstances. Prior to 1860, it was legal in all states.
The man is held financially responsible for all his offspring whether the woman wants it or not. He has no choice in the matter just as the woman should have no choice in the matter to murder his offspring
