Why Are You Against Same Sex Marriage?

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Why Are You Against SSM

  1. Your Religion Says It's Wrong

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  2. Same Sex Couples Are Incapable of Genuinely Loving Each Other

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    7.7%
  3. Allowing SSM Will Lead to Allowing Beastiality, Polygamy, Incest, etc.

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  4. Other

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    65.4%
  1. Colombine

    Colombine Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Had you been a gay kid, you might have found the mere thought of it quite enticing depending on who was making the suggestion.

    Again, had you been a gay kid you may not have felt any guilt or shame at all. You might have just looked forward to the next time.

    You can't project your reactions onto others or, if you do, you can't take reasonable stock of who, what and why they are who they are.
     
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  2. Maccabee

    Maccabee Well-Known Member

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    Your experience only goes to show that apparently, you're straight. You presumably inherently found it repulsing. My experience was different. While no one offered to play that game with me, I did made many attempts to peek at as many guys as I could.
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    WOW.... so in your faith you have no accountability to others in the Body? Changes from person to person? Is that moral relativity? ......and even Jewish tradition as well as Christian tradition has a whole lot to say about marriage but according to you it is all irrelevant to marriage? I think I get it now.
     
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    Polydectes Well-Known Member

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    Yeah you're blue so you're own it's not that hard of a concept.
     
  5. yabberefugee

    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I think a lot about children. I have several young grandchildren. Took one to the state fair last night and tomorrow I will teach Sunday School with my wife to several 1st grade through 5th. No I do consume my self of you extoling your perverse sexual activity on these little ones. It begins most often at a young age.

    And Bears eat their young. We are human beings created to a different standard. You may derive your own "barnyard morality" any way you want to but I have a right to claim the morality I embrace.

    And you have no evidence that inserting a sexual organ into an orifice made for export is natural activity yet you want to justify it and call it an act of "Marriage". Heterosexual activity was embedded into us by the Creator to have a deeper relationship and a model that that relationship can produce life.

    How do you know that there is not a God greater than yourself and of all those gods, there is not one that is Most Holy?
     
  6. Maccabee

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    The key word you're using is "tradition." Nothing in scripture speaks against same sex marriage when you actually take the time to look at the original language and context.
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Wonder how to decipher that comment?
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So God did not preserve His message to your liking?
     
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    You can be whatever you want to be. It's your life. We don't equate it with marriage.
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    And you had a loving Mom and Dad who modeled life to you through example? Be honest.
     
  11. Maccabee

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    He preserved it just fine. It's people who twist scripture to justify their own hate and ignorance. It's the reason the Spanish Inquisition existed.
     
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    Yeah. My parents raised me as a conservative Christian and are still married to this day.
     
  13. yabberefugee

    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    and I hope they love and support you as their son. I really mean that.
     
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    That you are consumed with thoughts on the sexual activity of children is chilling. I have never thought of such until individuals like you always bring it up. Seeing what is going on in your churches it seems to be on the mind of the religiously affiliated quite often.

    I am just correcting your misuse of the English language. I agree we are not animals and eating our young would be depravity but it would be natural as per the definition of the word. Likewise, religion is not natural while homosexuality is.

    See above my addressing of your issues with definitions. Homosexual behavior and same sex coupling is easily identified throughout the animal kingdom. This should be common knowledge but I will happily provide you some references for you to ignore.

    I don’t which is why I do not use my religious beliefs as an argument. That would be you — which is why I asked “How do you know your “god” is the correct one and the ones ancient Greeks worshiped are not? Or the one of the Koran. Or any of the thousands of variations that small minded people have invented to try and explain they do not comprehend?” Feel free to answer if you can muster up the integrity.
     
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    Then if some of it was twisted, as you say, how do we know a thing that is true today? Is it all just made up? I know about the Spanish inquisition. The Word of God was hidden from non-clergy at the time. The State controlled it as Hitler did in Nazi Germany. Christianity is often used as a "power grab". That is why we need to know the "Word" and the Holy Spirit is our teacher. It is a promise Jesus made. And if you do not believe the "Spirit" of the Word has not been preserved..... I wonder why you would entertain any of it.
     
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    That is the entire issue here. You are claiming marriage is religious in nature so what you believe would be relevant.

    It isn’t religious, it is a civil contract so what you believe or don’t believe is equal is completely irrelevant.

    That thousands of churches across the nation now openly preform same sex marriages further shows how uncommon your views are.
     
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    Funny how you try and accuse me of the perversion you yourself entertain. I explained I am companied by my wife in the interaction of other kids that are not my own. Also I submiited to a background check to differentiate my motives from those like yourself. Safety is a big issue.

    As I said, bears eat their young. I will add I have seen monkeys copulate with cats, so I guess your animal kingdom thing justifies "beastiality". I always suspected that.

    BecauseGod designed it that way. Without Faith it is impossible to be pleasing to God. Believing there is something far bigger and more intelligent than yourself requires humility. You might fall way short in that area.
     
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    Yes you are correct. In Mexico I believe there are still Churches that condone human sacrifice. That's all nothing to me. I don't follow a crowd anyway.
     
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    Excuse me. Your beliefs are your own.
     
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    Yeah... Hence support for same sex marriage.
     
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    Because I'm arguing against modern interpretation of scripture, not scripture itself. And this is the thing believers needs to understand. There's a difference between what the Bible says and what people THINK the Bible says. But to answer your question more directly, a great way to understand what the Bible is saying is to actually look at the original language and historical context.

    And again, I'm arguing against you INTERPRETATION of scripture rather than scripture itself.
     
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    Can you direct quote me where I have ever “entertained” child rape? Flagrant lies are a normal tool for your type but it is an old and failing strategy. As someone with access authorization from the NRC and have been through several federal background checks over my career I laugh at your “background check” that was likely done online.

    Jesus dude, look up the definition of the word natural. The English language and definitions shouldn’t be that hard to comprehend for a native English speaker.

    You still didn’t answer the question. What makes your religious views correct and everyone else’s incorrect? Why is your god the correct version but millions of other versions are incorrect.

    Talk about arrogance
     
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    You can add the English language, legal concepts, logic, and a few other adjectives with things you don’t follow as well.
     
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    Nobody ever said that any particular act was the justification for marriage. I doubt that's something lesbians do and they still have same-sex marriages. You were propositioned with a specific act at a young age which repulsed you. Had you been gay and the propositioner someone you found attractive you may have been intrigued rather than repulsed.

    Either way it's the attraction that is natural. Any actions people mutually decide they enjoy is their business not yours. The mutual attraction forms the basis of the marriage. That's what makes the start of a lifelong commitment. Two male paraplegics can marry. They may not be able to have any kind of sexual liaisons but they can still love each other and want to bond. That's, once again, their business not yours.
     
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    I'm heterosexual and married 30 years plus. Difference between me and you is I can differentiate between a civil contract and a religious commitment.

    You, apparently, can't.

    Within your own church you don't have to equate anything with marriage. You can exclude any people or concepts you choose but it's different in the public square and in civil contract law.
     
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