Why Aren't the Conspiracy Nuts Confined To the Conspiracy Theory Forum?

I don't know why they needed it then, but they said they needed it then. Google up Unocal. And fear not! Democrats are part of that chain of conspiracy, too.

I think there are a lot of things about 9/11 that are weird. I don't know what happened. I've been given an official story that I find suspicious and number of theories that sounds plausible. I could just choose to believe that I'm told, but if I'm honest with myself, I just don't find the official story to have the ring of truth. Maybe you hear it. I don't.

The only way all the conspiracy theories could be wrong is if nobody's actually conspiring about anything. That sound like the way powerful people operate to you?

 

Only a fool would believe the governments official version of anything,they are proven liars,as is the media that collaborates with them...They have programmed the weak minded to label anybody with common sense as nuts....such as yourself....It is beyond obvious that such things as 911,obamas birth certificate,bin Laden are nothing but lies...you are a victim of the public educational system,you have been deprived of the ability to think for yourself.

 

It has also been well established that government officials are incredibly dishonest and self-serving.

 

Be honest, you're wearing a tin foil hat right now?

 

I guess most of the 9/11 commissioners were wearing tin foil hats:

9/11 Commission co-chair Lee Hamilton says "I don't believe for a minute we got everything right", that the Commission was set up to fail, that people should keep asking questions about 9/11, and that the 9/11 debate should continue

9/11 Commissioner Bob Kerrey said that "There are ample reasons to suspect that there may be some alternative to what we outlined in our version . . . We didn't have access . . . ." He also says that it might take "a permanent 9/11 commission" to end the remaining mysteries of September 11

The 9/11 Commission’s co-chairs said that the 9/11 Commissioners knew that military officials misrepresented the facts to the Commission, and the Commission considered recommending criminal charges for such false statements (free subscription required)

9/11 Commissioner Timothy Roemer said “We were extremely frustrated with the false statements we were getting”

9/11 Commissioner Max Cleland resigned from the Commission, stating: “It is a national scandal”; “This investigation is now compromised”; and “One of these days we will have to get the full story because the 9-11 issue is so important to America. But this White House wants to cover it up”

The Senior Counsel to the 9/11 Commission (John Farmer) – who led the 9/11 staff’s inquiry – recently said “At some level of the government, at some point in time…there was an agreement not to tell the truth about what happened“. He also said “I was shocked at how different the truth was from the way it was described …. The tapes told a radically different story from what had been told to us and the public for two years…. This is not spin. This is not true.” And he said: “It’s almost a culture of concealment, for lack of a better word. There were interviews made at the FAA’s New York center the night of 9/11 and those tapes were destroyed. The CIA tapes of the interrogations were destroyed. The story of 9/11 itself, to put it mildly, was distorted and was completely different from the way things happened”

 

People giving false statements to cover their butt for allowing this to happen does not imply they were involved in the actual planning and execution of the attack.

 

Conveniently assuming that those who engage in criminal activity only do so "to cover their butt" does not imply that those who question that such dishonest, dishonorable people might be engaged in more sinister activity shouldn't be taken seriously.

 

Which is why this stuff belongs in the conspiracy section. You don't actually know what their motives were for lying. You have already come to your conclusion, therefore any piece of evidence you find you dismiss if it goes against your theory and you accept if it can be spun to advance your theory.

It's reverse scientific method. Show me cold hard facts that any of these individuals were in talks with Al Qaeda planning this attack. Then you will have something. But quotes about people saying statements that weren't factual does not imply they were part of the attack, it just implies they are covering up their negligence.

 

Neither do you, but that's not the only anomaly in the case.

No, I have not come to my conclusion. It is you who have absolved the government of wrong doing. It is you who accept their explanation and tries to marginalize anyone who questions it.

I never claimed they were. Why should I try to prove something I never claimed?

Again, that's not the only anomaly in this case. You fraudulently hoist this up as proof that no one should look into it any further. Ridiculous.

 

Funny thing is, this thread itself is a violation, and the mods can't even police that.

 

I have come to the conclusion based on the information I have received. You are the one who has taken that information and construed it in to your anti-Govt conspiracies. There is no factual proof of any collaboration between the Govt and Al Qaeda to perform these attacks. It is only in your head. Seek a psychiatrist immediately!

 

It's the most investigated criminal matter in the history of the world. It's received millions of dollars worth of news coverage. It's been the subject of countless documentaries and hundreds of bestselling books. It's been the subject of hundreds of peer-reviewed journal articles. Federal, state, and local authorities have combined to spend hundreds of millions of dollars investigating it.

See, the proof of your confirmation bias is right there. You dismiss everything that's been done exploring the 9/11 attacks - everything - because none of it leads to your preferred conclusion.

 

Nonsense. This "thorough investigation" ignored the vast majority of basic questions asked by the family of the victims.

I can claim I investigated something and prove I spent a lot of money doing so, but I can also ignore material evidence and refuse to interview witnesses who contradict what I want my investigation to prove.

ROTFL. What did I dismiss? The only people dismissing what they disagree with were those doing the alleged "thorough investigation."

And why do those who oversaw the 9/11 Commission disagree with you?

 

Which is no different from what you accuse those who disagree with you of doing. Your hypocrisy is duly noted.

 

No, I took the information we were given and I believed it. The difference between you and I is you believe the information you were given is inaccurate because it doesn't not fit your already conceived theory.

If they came out with information that proved the Govt was involved in the operation than I would have believed it.

Huge difference buddy!

 

I reckon it's all a plot, meself.

 

No it has not.

Cynicism is not evidence.

 

Imagine if everyone questioned things that don't make good sense? What a country we might have huh? There might even be hope for it by now. The "official" BS story of 9/11 has nonsense scattered throughout it and sensible people question it while others accept whatever they're told. Lemmings accept whatever they're told, and never question anything to begin with. Others simply refuse to believe it because they're afraid of what implications it presents, so they just "accept" whatever they're told.

9/11 contains endless "oddities" that make no sense at all yet people accept them and then they wonder why things are like they are today. I don't.

 

If only cynicism were applied routinely. What a world this could be.

 

One serious example would be useful for these "oddities" and "nonsense".

I sure hope it isn't some ridiculous claim about steel not weakening under high heat...........

 

The only "oddities" that arise do so as a result of the ignorance of the person thinking they are "oddities."

There are no "oddities" to the actual expert sufficient to raise any question about the generally accepted account.

 

There are many examples, almost too numerous to count, as almost nothing makes a great deal of sense from the outset. One would need to be somewhat objective in their approach though, and that's rarely possible as people either aren't too bright or have an interest in not upsetting the applecart.
Anybody who has a genuine curiosity about 9/11 and an open mind can find the answers all by themselves, very simply, and very easily. There are potholes all over that road. That isn't the case though...obviously.

 

If that is the case, then you should be able to detail one of these "potholes" easily enough....

If you can't even do that, then how can you advocate a conspiracy theory?

 

Still on patrol huh? I thought you guys were assigned to the prepaid forum too. Everybody has to do more these days to justify their paychecks I guess. Don't get your panties in a bunch...I pretty much gave up trying to inform the hopeless. You can go back to patrolling the other forum with your pals. People just aren't worth the effort to me anymore, so relax.

 

Then you have no business posting here.

By the way, I'm a high school history teacher and football coach. I don't get paid by anyone to post here or elsewhere.

Though I've also been accused at this forum of being paid by "the Jews" to advocate on their behalf.