Why can't we have a childless gay marriage?

Change your question to Google. Univ of Boston Pediatrics post a study showing no difference between health and scholastic achievement of gay mothers and traditional couple. Lead researcher with this sfudy says no hard numbers available yet because of the small sample size and short time frame of gays raising children.

 

I will check out the site when I have time to be fair. Thanks for letting me know.

 

Even the article you have posted from The Washington Times goes on to question the validity of all studies at this point because they rely on too small of a data base.

 

so you would prefer they get abortions?

they have as much right to have children as anyone else

it should be their choice to have children, the government should not be choosing for them

equal right for all doesn't mean equal for everyone accept those you don't like

 

You'd love to put all opposition to gay adoption as religious bigotry and homophobia, but this is simply not true.

For example I'm a lifelong atheist. I think there's nothing wrong with being gay, and that consenting adults can do whatever they want and have civic rights, as long as it's between themselves.

But I was literally called a bigot on this thread for believing that children have rights too, and that their well-being should take priority. Complete thought crime.

Liberals accusing conservatives of political correctness is the pot calling the kettle black. Talking about academia, this is downright the opposite. The entire world of academia and all grant institutions are overrun by progressivism. Maybe only conservative sources would even allow to fund such research.

That's the major issue, yes. It's a new thing so there's not enough data.

I still don't understand how we went from "there's nothing wrong with being gay leave us in peace you Jesus freaks" to "gays raising children is an awesome idea and if you disagree you're a bigot". This has gone out of hand.

Hopefully people will wake up eventually. It's a shame we have to do experiments on children to know for sure.

 

Because marriage is between a man and a woman. Always has been, always will be.

Society is under no obligation to provide that. Let them draft their own contracts, enforceable like any other between private parties.

The response to ALP aside, anyone who believes it doesn't, hasn't got a clue about parenting.

 

bull **** , yes they can

 

Lol. I go out of my way to say that I think there's nothing wrong with being gay or with gays doing whatever they want with other gays and I'm still getting called a homophobic bigot.

This is pathetic.

 

I don't know nearly enough to determine if you are a homophobic bigot. I know that you have come to some conclusions about the competence of gay parents to raise well adjusted productive adults, that justify blatant discrimination, based on what your gut and your experience suggests is right, and deny science any role in correcting that opinion. When you do things like that, I don't give a rats ass what you say about gays having sex.

 

There is something wrong with being gay but they will never understand that. Marriage is between a man and a woman and always will be as supported by the bible. I don't hate gay people and I never will but I don't have to support their sins and I will never support gay marriage.

It says in the bible to love everyone including thy enemies. It also says love the person but not the sin.

As for your topic I honestly believe that kids will do so much better in life with both a male and female role model.

 

Single people are allowed to adopt children.

 

Factually untrue. My sister is single and has been for well over 20 years. She is in the foster system as a foster parent and is eligible to adopt. And just so it is clear she only got into the system a couple of years ago.

 

Is the bold supposed to be a sarcastic remark? I would think so given the text that follows, but it does seem rather conflicting.

 

Aside from the fact that this is an article not a study, by the portions you provided, children being raised in a two father home will have twice the positive influence that a home with a father mother mix has. Additionally, what is the comparison group? If it is single parents or worse, single mother only, then citing the studies is a false equivalency since we are not comparing a two parent home with a two parent home. And before you start off with the whole, "two people of the same gender can't be parents" BS, if the logic is that only the biological mother/father is best, then we also need to be showing the difference between that structure and that of the adopted mother/father structure (as well as the difference between the age at which the child was adopted) and also the parent/opposite gender step-parent structure.

Biased source is biased. At least with the first article you have some possibility of neutrality on stance. Naturally a group who I should focused on preserving the "traditional" family unit (which is a myth BTW. The nuclear family model is a relatively recent social development) will only cite studies which support their view And not bother to check if they are peer reviewed or not. Now at this point I have not doubled checked on the studies cited in the article, so I am not making an assertion on them specifically. Just noting the trend of such groups.

Again, a heavily biased source, and one known for using biased studies. Your best bet is to cite studies directly, to avoid any hit of bias or spin. Also make sure that the study compares apples to apples. I a man willing to bet that we could do a study comparing same sex two parent homes to single parent homes and it will show that the former will produce children with much fewer problems than the latter. For that matter we could also do poly homes with three or more parents and show a much more stable environment to a single parent home.

 

Everyone should support gay marriage. Why would you not want a happy marriage? One does not have to support same sex marriage to support the freedom of consenting adults to receive equal access to legal institutions. The legal state of marriage has nothing to do with the religious state, especialllly in a country where religious freedom is a foundation. Not all religions hold that same sex marriage is a sin. If there is to be a legal based marriage its structure cannot be based upon any one or even many religious structures. History has shown that many cultures across time have had same sex and poly marriages, so male/female marriages are not the only structure humans have used.

 

Well short frame of them openly admitting that they are doing so. Many have been raising their kids in secret under a variety of covers for even longer.

 

Factually untrue. Same sex and poly marriages have been a part of multiple societies throughout time. In some sects of Judeo-Christian religions it is true, but not true of all religions.

Society is under no obligation to provide any legal recognition of marriage either. Straight couples can also draft their own contracts like any other private party. However, under the constitution and the various amendments, laws are not supposed to be gender specific, nor based upon religious values. Thus for a legal marriage structure to exist, it must be available to all consenting adults.

Pot, kettle, achromatic.

 

Okay, so visibly both sides agree on the fact that marriage means children, and that you can't have one without the other. Christians sanctify the name "marriage" so you can't stretch its meaning, and liberals will be always be crying "muh discrimination" if you allow a married straight couple to adopt and not a married gay couple, so they won't allow this as a compromise.

So it appears my initial idea doesn't work, there's no third option, you're either for it or against it. Since I'm against gays raising children, I'm against gay marriage period. Glad I straightened that out : I'm for a civic union with the same administrative rights.

 

Single folks here, adopt all the time.

 

Studies show children raised by gah couples do as well or better than their straight counter parts. So banning them from child rearin makes no sense.

 

Nope. Studies show children raised by same sex parents do as well or better than straight parents.

 

Well, this is demonstrably false, as 2 men and 2 women can and do marry.

 

The Bible has no relevance to marriage. Gay people can and do marry. It's a demonstrable fact of reality.

 

Yet you did not read any of the studies or articles I posted. Nice try but i'm not buying it.