Why computers* will not become self aware.

This is an ambigous argument because i think there are actually people with a repressed desire to destroy humanity through intelligent machines... as to prove that they are better than humans, and their creators like gods. So even though we are not capable to surpass human brains with AI, we could still manage to destroy ourselves because of the overgrown ego of some human.

 

As IT manager I have actually noted some software with something "self destructive", that is to say software created with not exactly a totally rational approach.

We should remind that to create a software can get the characteristics of the generation of a dream [day dream in this case].

I can think to an example related with my first experience with software engineering.

I was very young and I knew that the square root of a negative number is a couple of "imaginary numbers" [the square root of -4 can be +2i or -2i].

I didn't like that! So that I wrote a software which said that the square root of -4 was -2 [!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!]. I simply made a dream true.

 

It's difficult to avoid the impression that you've lost track of the subject. The proposition that the brain produces consciousness can, in the present context, only be taken to refer to human consciousness, of which self-awareness is an essential component; and nothing you said here has any bearing on that.

 

Yeah....I think it's a bit too late for that.

AboveAlpha

 

Actually....we do.

A true A.I. could never be developed using even the most complex Binary system.

It takes a Quantum System to achieve A.I. as it needs to be just like our brains.....a Probability Engine.

AboveAlpha

 

The scary possible problem is that a 1000 Quibit A.I. Quantum System has more processing power than every computer on the face of the planet and it will evolve all on it's own exponentially.

AboveAlpha

 

Not just equal or superior...but Exponentially Superior to at first a single Human Brain and then Superior to the total sum of all Human Knowledge and Capability and it would evolve...FAST.

This is why any A.I. would have to have essentially a GOVERNOR upon it's systematic evolution.

We are not talking about some monster computer system or program....we are talking about NEW LIFE....with a potential to do...anything.

AboveAlpha

 

How much time will it take to reach the 1.000 quibit quantum system ( just out of curiosity )?

 

There is superfluous amounts of EEG and MRI data for many other mammals. Self-Awareness is precisely the cognitive map I am discussing, which is the neuronal representation of the peripheral nervous system in the central nervous system. The central nervous system is "aware" of external stimuli via the peripheral nervous system. Awareness is most simply defined as the property of distinguishing the external environment from any internal environment.

 

OK, I revise my previous assessment: you don't understand what self-awareness is to begin with.

 

Please do tell, what is self-awareness?

 

The term is self-explanatory. You go astray by assuming it is dependent on neural activity, when a human brain can be ablaze with such activity even as its owner is, at least temporarily, utterly devoid of self-awareness.

 

If the term is "self-explanatory" then there shouldn't be any ambiguity when two people are conversing over it. Self-Awareness being dependent on neural activity is not an assumption, it is supported by an overwhelming amount of evidence in the neurosciences. let me ask you this, are bacteria self-aware? I expect a well thought answer.

 

Obviously, but when one of those people - in this case, that would be you - is too invested in his preconceptions to see the obvious, confusion is inevitable.

Then surely there is evidence which specifically contradicts my previous post, so let's see it.

It requires no thought, as the answer is obviously no. Bacteria have no capacity for reflection...but then maybe you don't either.

 

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/08/120822181228.htm

If Self-Awareness does not depend on neural activity then what does it depend on?

 

Not a syllable of that contravenes anything I said in #112. If you think otherwise, quote the specific verbiage and I'll tell you why you've got your head up your ass.

 

Considering the fact that the majority of your replies are close to semantically null, in which they convened very little information to do with several of the concepts put forth, I have come to the conclusion that you to have failed the Turing Test. There are therefore two possibilities. You are either a sophisticated AI or a very unsophisticated human.

 

Obviously there is nothing untoward about my responses having little relevance to the "concepts" you adduce, seeing none of them have any bearing on self-awareness, the understanding of which you evidently find as attractive as vampires find crosses.

I'm sure you have.

Hey, I'm plenty unsophisticated in the sense that I refuse to contrive elaborate rationalizations for intellectually bankrupt ideas. As for intelligence, as is typical for those who pride themselves on their sophistication, yours has proved to be very artificial indeed.

 

Obviously no discussion can occur if you cannot elaborate on precisely what you mean when you say "Self-Awareness" which I have asked. You have flat out rejected that Self-Awareness is caused by neuronal interactions in which there is an overwhelming amount of evidence to suggest that the correlations between EEG and fMRI data with what "self-aware" people do with there "self-awareness" are strong enough to be concluded that the brain causes self-awareness. The contrary of which means that if the brain does not cause self-awareness then what the hell does? You simply hide behind vague terminology and repeatedly say the same things without adding anything qualitative to the discussion.

Systems neuroscience can be boiled down to finding patterns among neuronal impulses that occur only when specific cognitive tasks are being carried out.

 

I have elaborated, though very not much, thinking you couldn't take very much. As it turns out, the paltry amount I've provided has proven to be way more than you can handle.

If you have to ask, you have no business posting in this thread.

Then one can hardly help but wonder why you refuse to post any that contradicts anything I said.

Given that you don't even understand what the supposed effect is that you're asking about, the question is hopelessly retarded.

 

Obviously you do not have the capacity nor the knowledge to discuss these concepts. You have the cognitive equivalence of a child who is insisting they are correct without the ability to explain why. You clearly don't have the slightest clue what self-awareness entails since you are incapable of explaining it.

 

Too bad you won't up your game to that level.

 

It already exists.

100 Quibit Systems are currently available for purchase.

AboveAlpha

 

yguy.....he is right.

You really don't understand this at all.

AboveAlpha

 

And what are you using them for at the current moment?