Do you understand zero zero visibility? A presidents motorcade is far more complex than say an Army General officer. The USA was well represented at the memorial in France.
Are you the driver? Why is his motorcade sooo complicated? Yes, I have seen Presidential and Vice Presidential motorcades. Bonespurs was rightfully criticized for skipping the visit: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...rmistice-remembrance-aisnemarne-a8628611.html The US president was supposed lay a wreath at the Aisne-Marne American cemetery in Belleau, but the White House claimed that heavy rain prevented him from arriving via helicopter to the site around an hour’s drive away from the French capital, where he was meeting with Emmanuel Macron. The 1918 battle looms large in the history of the US Marine Corps in which the Americans and French repelled German forces. More than 1,800 Americans died there. UK minister condemns Trump for skipping cemetery visit because of rain Mr Kerry criticised the president’s decision on Twitter, saying that the weather “shouldn’t have stopped an American President”. “President @realDonaldTrump a no-show because of raindrops?” he wrote. “Those veterans the president didn’t bother to honor fought in the rain, in the mud, in the snow – & many died in trenches for the cause of freedom.” Nicolas Soames, a grandson of Sir Winston Churchill and Conservative MP for Mid Sussex, also condemned President Trump for pulling out of the visit. TOP ARTICLES1/6READ MOREImelda Cortez: Raped woman faces 20 years injail for trying to abort her attacker's baby “They died with their face to the foe and that pathetic inadequate @realDonaldTrump couldn’t even defy the weather to pay his respects to The Fallen,” he wrote on Twitter.
Do you think the dead minded? Face it if Trump puts mayonnaise on a hot dog rather than mustard, Democrats have a damned fit the size of Alaska. The forum has learned it was way worse than rain, the visibility was near zero zero. Zero at distance and zero in the air. I have experienced that in CA but perhaps the worst ever was at Kansas city when the visibility was so poor vehicles pulled off I-70 and parked. It war raining so much one could hardly see with the wipers going full speed. I managed by following a large truck and taking a huge chance. Can't the dead wait for better weather? In Germany I served in a Rock of the Marne unit that was famous for the Marne battles during both wars. Our pin for our hats shown
Remembrances, like funerals, are not for the dead. Do you think that he's there for an indefinite period of time? That the 100th anniversary comes around more than once? He's the President, for God's sake---it's his job, as head of state, to do things like this, and should have made the trip even with "OMG!! ZERO ZERO!!! EEK!".
I grew up in the same age. But don't forget, acrimony is profitable. But it can't last for ever. Everyday Americans are going to grow weary of the manipulation, lies, and deceit. I believe we are close to that point. IMO, politician's are going to find an electorate that's had enough, and that will come home to roost down the road.
Given a helicopter was grounded, what makes you think the route was easy to travel? Has no democrat experienced European weather?[/QUOTE] I would imagine a small number has. But it doesn't really matter to them does it. They are triggered by anything that's brought to their attention. I'm amazed at their stamina, given they are required to be outraged every hour on the hour.
I would imagine a small number has. But it doesn't really matter to them does it. They are triggered by anything that's brought to their attention. I'm amazed at their stamina, given they are required to be outraged every hour on the hour.[/QUOTE] How did my name end up on that other person's post? I agree that the helicopter had a serious problem with the severe conditions. Rain is bad enough but when you include severe fog, it is grounding time. I have driven in heavy fog and you creep.
As it turns out, the rest of the leaders never showed up. Why just Trump? Why when it was very dangerous?
The question is how the electorate will do something about it if it does come home to roost? Both parties manipulate, lie, deceit, feed us hyperbolic political propaganda. Vote for the other party and the world ends. Both parties have a monopoly on our two party electoral system. About the only thing we can do is vote one party in one election, then vote them out the next and back in again in the election that follows and so on.
I agree that is where we are today. But keep in mind, most of the anger and frustration is being driven by the media. Imagine a week without the latest outrage screamed across headlines or in "breaking news" flashes spread across the Nation. I don't see that holding up for very much longer. Consider what lay ahead in the next Congress. It's stacking up to be ridiculous. Perhaps I'm just naive, or it's wishful thinking, but I have a hard time believing the electorate is going to tolerate another 2 years of insanity from the media and their elected officials in D.C..
Fox News on missing the event: "Trampling on Tradition?" and "Offensive to Soldiers?" Lol jk, that was for Obama - trump is a goodboy! The best of boys! MAGA by forcing soldiers away from their families on thanksgiving for a political stunt at the border.
I hope you're right, but highly doubt it. I would like to see a return to where both parties would at least talk to each other, be willing to work with each other. Yes, then play the game of give and take, compromise. I know there are issues where compromise is impossible, but most could be worked out. I'd like to see leadership in the senate that Dole and Mitchell provided and even Lott and Daschle. They didn't hate each other, they would work with each other. I'd like to see the Speaker of the house and the majority party run the house like it was prior to the Hastert rule. There's nothing wrong in my book where a bill gets passed with most of the minority party on board and a proper number of the majority party agreeing with that legislation. Most of all, I want to see legislation and votes based on the legislation merits. Not an automatic Republican opposition if a Democrat proposes it or an automatic Democratic Party opposition to something proposed by the Republicans. Too much to ask for, I know.
Probably too much at this point in History. I'd like to see clean bills placed before the members to vote on. The poison pill adders that get used to kill legislation in order to make headlines about a party not caring about some important issue or another are ridiculous. I also agree with you about leadership. The last two Republican Speakers were some of the worst in modern history. The GOP earned its loss of majority because of them.
I also like clean bills. That too is too much to ask for. I also think having a president like IKE or JFK who weren't afraid to talk to the opposing party's leaders on a weekly basis to work things out is also too much. Or having leaders like Dole and Mitchell in the senate who could sit down and talk things out and come to an agreement on legislation most of the time. Get things done. The thing is this involves compromise, compromise has become a four letter word among our two major parties. I think today, each party is way too interested, to fixated on stopping whatever the other party wants regardless of merit or if it is good for the country than getting anything done. I call that the politics of the stupid, today both parties call it standing on principle.
True. But consider what is being debated. For me pero, I think the issues that are being discussed, and the agenda itself, feeds the fire. They are debating major efforts to take the country "left", as opposed to previous times in history. The big debates are over Nationalizing things like Health Care. The debate is over immigration and how the law should be applied to it, even existing law. The talk is of free college, etc., etc.. These are fundamental defining issues. They aren't debating Social Security reform, or Welfare Reform as much as they are debating what type of country this will be - socialist or capitalist. We are living in a big moment of time, just like we did when the collective insanity of the population brought about the 18th Amendment. We will get over it, I am confident that is true.
Perhaps. I do think illegal immigration could be solved if it wasn't such an important campaign issue to both parties. Illegal immigration like abortion of the past rallies both parties bases. to solve it would cease the use of immigration as a campaign issue. Can't have that. Yes, I am very cynical of today's politics. As for nationalized health care, free college, the debate over whether to become full fledged socialist or remain capitalistic, this country and its people will end up with what they deserved. One way or the other, like the 18th, they asked for it. Free college won't solve our problems with education or even the jobs market. Not everyone is suited for college to begin with. Some are better with their hands than with their minds. Automation, robotics, computers, technological advances are all contributing to job loses more than education or even a college one. An assembly line for producing cars used to take hundreds of people are now down to ten or twenty. Even fast food is slowly becoming automated. Remember the Jetson's. I always wondered what George and the other humans did. With everything robotic and automated. George Jetson's work week consist of an hour a day, two days a week. His boss is Cosmo Spacely, the bombastic owner of Spacely Space Sprockets. A cartoon I know. But is this where we are headed?
"""He is upset the Germans lost. He has a Tummy Ache. He has more important things to do. He is a Nazi sympathizer""" All of the above. Funny how those whining about Vietnam vets getting allegedly spit on don't see this as Trump spitting on vets...
Valid points. One final thought. While I agree automation is having an impact on jobs in many areas, it's not the job killer that many are claiming. I make that claim based on almost 40 years of manufacturing experience as the owner of manufacturing businesses. Robots, etc., can do many things, but what it can't do are things that make a business competitive and flexible in today's environment. Robots are great at some things, but not at others. While they are getting more sophisticated in articulation and operation in a multi-dimensional space, they aren't so good when tasked with processes requiring flexibility and dexterity. Robots want to see set parameters. AI is overcoming some of that, but it's not going to overcome all of it. Also, Robotics is going to open the door to new industries and companies that will be able to develop business models that deal with them. Whether that be design, service, or applications to control them. Every step along the path of technological advancement has been met with challenges from traditional industries being impacted, and rewards from those who are riding the wave. That is also true with how people are motivated and influenced. 120 years ago, it took people weeks to learn about national news. Early newspapers exploited that as trains and telegraphs brought the news to people faster. Yellow journalism existed during the transition. Today, we're in a similar transition, and yellow journalism is rampant as the media companies exploit for profit. We will become more nuanced as the people become more accustomed to the new means of getting information. Some of that is already taking place. Think about some of the fringe outlets who are becoming irrelevant as people discover their purpose. This is spreading into the mainstream media as people become aware of the same bias and manipulation. The hard part is riding out the storm, and showing enough patience and tolerance to allow the process to sort itself out. We, as everyday citizens, don't profit from deceit and distortion. Our politicians do, as does the media. When we citizens settle down and demand the same from our politicians, the dust will begin to settle.
