Why do Americans think they are better than the rest of the World?

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  1. beenthere

    beenthere Well-Known Member

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    Let's see;

    ""Pershing insisted that American soldiers be well-trained before going to Europe. As a result, few troops arrived before 1918. In addition, Pershing insisted that the American force would not be used merely to fill gaps in the French and British armies, and he resisted European efforts to have U.S. troops deployed as individual replacements in decimated Allied units. This attitude was not always well received by the Allied leaders who distrusted the potential of an army lacking experience in large-scale warfare.[1] In addition the British tried to barter their spare shipping to make the US put its soldiers into British ranks.""

    And the British wanted to use untrained troops to fill THEIR in gaps from making stupid frontal assaults on machine gun nests that cut over 50,000 British troops down in a day??? Is this the part you want me to rethink???

    Shall we start with the Battle of Cantigny ;


    ""At its 06:45 H Hour, American troops left their jump trenches following an hour-long preparatory artillery barrage in which German counter-battery fire nullified the location of German artillery positions. A rolling barrage advancing approximately 25 meters a minute preceded the attacking troops.

    The 28th Infantry Regiment (Col. Hansen Ely, commanding) of the 1st Division (3,564 troops), under Major-General Robert Lee Bullard, captured Cantigny from the German Eighteenth Army commanded by von Hutier. The village was situated on high ground surrounded by woods, making it an ideal target for German artillery.

    Aiding the capture, the French provided air cover, 368 heavy guns, trench mortars, and flamethrowers. The advancing American infantry was aided by twelve Schneider tanks of the French 5th Tank battalion, used to eliminate German machine gun positions. With this support, and advancing much more audaciously than expected, the 28th Infantry took the village in 45 minutes. It then continued on to its final objective, positions two kilometers from its jump-off point, just as the rolling barrage reached its final line, at 08:13.""

    Then we have The Battle of Belleau Wood:


    ""In March 1918, with nearly 50 additional divisions freed by the Russian surrender on the Eastern Front, the German Army launched a series of attacks on the Western Front, hoping to defeat the Allies before U.S. forces could be fully deployed. In the north, the British 5th Army was virtually destroyed by two major offensive operations, Michael and Georgette around the Somme. A third offensive launched in May against the French between Soissons and Reims, known as the Third Battle of the Aisne, saw the Germans reach the north bank of the Marne river at Château-Thierry, 95 kilometres (59 mi) from Paris, on 27 May. Two U.S. Army divisions, the 2nd and the 3rd, were thrown into the Allied effort to stop the Germans. On 31 May, the 3rd Division held the German advance at Château-Thierry and the German advance turned right towards Vaux and Belleau Wood.

    On 1 June, Château-Thierry and Vaux fell, and German troops moved into Belleau Wood. The U.S. 2nd Division—which included a brigade of U.S. Marines—was brought up along the Paris-Metz highway. The 9th Infantry Regiment was placed between the highway and the Marne, while the 6th Marine Regiment was deployed to their left. The 5th Marines and 23rd Infantry regiments were placed in reserve.""



    So we see the British 5th Army destroyed by the Germans and they were pushing the French back when the 2nd and 3rd US Army DIVISIONS (not armies, divisions) and do you want to tell people what happened??

    The Battle of Hamel, but let's move on with an overview of what took place:

    American Army and Marine Corps troops played a key role in helping stop the German thrust towards Paris, during the Second Battle of the Marne in June 1918 (at Château-Thierry and Belleau Wood). The first major and distinctly American offensive was the reduction of the Saint Mihiel salient in September 1918.[7] During the Battle of Saint-Mihiel, beginning September 12, 1918, Pershing commanded the American First Army, comprising seven divisions and more than 500,000 men, in the largest offensive operation ever undertaken by United States armed forces to date. This successful offensive was followed by the Meuse-Argonne offensive, lasting from September 26 to November 11, 1918, during which General Pershing commanded more than one million American and French combatants. In these two military operations, Allied forces recovered more than 200sqmi (488sqkm) of French territory from the German army. By the time the Armistice had suspended all combat on November 11, 1918, the American Expeditionary Forces had evolved into a modern, combat-tested army

    No, I'm not about to rethink something that the British and French couldn't handle and we had to come in an pull their butts out of the fire. First, WW1 was a family squabble between cousins as heads of State and had NOTHING to do with the U.S.. We has NO VESTED interest in WW1. Now, do you want to talk about what shape the British Armed forces were in in 1942 when America entered WW2???

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    True, but we were the ONLY country that whipped them in their long history
     
  2. beenthere

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    Why should we join in your family squabble??? The heads of state were all related, 1st cousins for the most part. If you people were stupid enough to fight their battles for them, so be it. Our stupid President at the time ran under the slogan, "I keep us out of the European War", and as soon as he was sworn in for a 2nd term he put us in the middle of it using the battle cry about an English Flag ship that was sank while carrying illegal munitions in 1915. Yes, I'm talking about that war as well as the one that England had 5 years to avoid but went along to get along and you should remember this cry, "Peace in our time". Ya, right!!
     
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    beenthere Well-Known Member

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    Think so??? That's why the 5th British Army was wiped out in March and April of 1918 just before we jumped in, right??
     
  4. Bowerbird

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    I think that has to be one of the worst rationalisations I have ever read
     
  5. lizarddust

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    If you want to take a look at WWI history, check out General Sir John Monash, commander of the ANZACs. He is credited for shortening the course of WWI.

    "At the Battle of Hamel on 4 July 1918, Monash, with the support of the British 4th Army commander Sir Henry Rawlinson commanded the 4th Australian Division, supported by the British 5th Tank Brigade, along with a detachment of US troops, to win a small but operationally significant victory for the Allies. On 8 August 1918, the Battle of Amiens was launched. Allied troops under the command of Douglas Haig, predominantly Rawlinson's British 4th Army (consisting of the Australian Corps under Monash and the Canadian Corps under Arthur Currie, and the British III Corps) attacked the Germans. The allied attack was spearheaded by the Australian Corps, who had been given the capture of enemy artillery as a key objective in the first phase by Monash in order to minimize the potential harm to the attacking forces. The battle was a strong, significant victory for the Allies, the first decisive win for the British Army of the war, causing the Germans to recognise that for them the War was lost. The defeated German leader, General Ludendorff, described it in the following words: "August 8th was the black day of the German Army in the history of the war". These operations were just a start of a broad Allied offensive across the Western Front. On 12 August 1918 Monash was knighted as a Knight Commander of the Order of the Bath on the battlefield by King George V, the first time a British monarch had honoured a commander in such a way in 200 years. The Australians then achieved a series of victories against the Germans at Chignes, Mont St Quentin, Peronne and Hargicourt. Monash had 208,000 men under his command, including 50,000 inexperienced Americans. Monash planned the attack on the German defences in the Battle of the Hindenburg Line between 16 September and 5 October 1918. The Allies eventually breached the Hindenburg Line by 5 October, and the war was essentially over. On 5 October, Prinz Max von Baden, on behalf of the German Government, asked for an immediate armistice on land, water and in the air."

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Monash
     
  6. Wizard From Oz

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    Yes the Germans also bled themselves to death in Operation Michael But perhaps you could explain the results of the other three offensives the Germans launched
     
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    And perhaps telling, if it were not for the flu epidemic in 1918 The Americans would have less casualties than Australia in WW1
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I have lived and worked and traveled in other Countries and I the one thing I noticed is that they generally dispise the party they voted for and do not apologise near as much for the mistakes of the party they favor. This I believe is one of our major faults. Politicians in general are pathetic.

    Another thing you notice is that the media in countries like Canada and Britain is way more objective and actually adhere to the first rule of Journalism school which is " though shalt not editorialize"

    It is true that the US has done many positive things in its short history. It is also true that only someone who is ignorant of history would claim that the US has done more positive things than any other Country in the history of the world.
     
  9. lizarddust

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    Australian casualty rate during WWI was absolutely catastrophic. More so than any other nation including Germany when you consider the size of Australia's population at the time.

    Two words- cannon fodder.
     
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    [video=youtube;kwT1NQ5s8aE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwT1NQ5s8aE[/video]
     
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    Money? Personally I'm not remotely anxious to move to America.
     
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    snakestretcher Banned

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    Actually in most countries I have visited the people aren't so insecure that they feel the need for chest-beating, flag-waving and triumphalist nationalism.
     
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    Nah, you got it bass ackwards; America came riding in on a tsunami of altruism, like the 7th cavalry, to save us all from the Evils of Communism...
     
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    Not only that, but given Pershing's refusal to take orders from anyone with vast experience of the fighting on the Western Front, meant co-operation with the Americans was a tactical nightmare.
     
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    Dear god, you talk as if America was the only country involved in defeating Japan! Furthermore those 'stupid frontal assaults' were perpetrated by both sides throughout the war. The reason? Generals still immersed in 19th century tactics while being unable or unwilling to adapt to modern, mechanised warfare.
     
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    Simple. Because we are. Just think where we would be if it were not for leftist loserism.
     
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    I have never heard an Australian say he/she would like to move to America. Especially not for the wages or healthcare.

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    Blame the American written history books and education system in America.
     
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    Actually, republicans have higher levels of education, income and happiness when compared to democrats.
     
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    We have more wealth, technology, and we are strong enough to make demands instead of take them. So...on a material level...we rank higher than many other nations. We have a lot of stuff.
     
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    Can you run us through the numbers please? With a definition for "positive things". I'm curious how you managed to quantify such a thing.
     
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    Some countries, but not all. China is pretty nationalistic. As for the UK, not at all. Surprisingly little patriotism actually.
     
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    That's your theory???

    And your plan to getting there is by doing what?

    What is that you think that the US borders are serving - are your people getting cocaine to make crack? Are they lacking access to Islam??? Have you heard there are Mexicans working off the books, and the federal government is not inclined to stop it???

    A side note: what do they pay you to do?
    Don't try to tell us they pay you to manage a retail outlet, or your own taxable business - you tell the truth, boy. If you want I'll go first.
    http://www.secularlibrary.com/
    I get a $1300 apartment in Brooklyn, $200 food stamps, $180 cash allowance; somehow I got access to somebody's WiFi; and I can spend the whole day getting stoned and spreading the word of truth to you.
     
  23. perdidochas

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    Most other countries do much more to "keep the other out" than we do. Try to become a naturalized citizen of Japan or Switzerland, and then report it.

    For all practical purposes of the Western World, Columbus did find America. Yes, there were people here, but they were savages, even compared to Europe at the time.
     
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    And charity, ranging from volunteerism to money donation and even blood donation.
     
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    Uh, because they are referring to two different groups. A Brit, when comparing Brits to Americans, would say "we/our" in reference to Brits, and "them" in reference to some other group. What about that is so hard?

    Yep.

    :roll: okay, well now you're just getting stupid.

    And none are indoctrinated into believing it's a horrible country? :roll: You really must have gone through the school system a long-@ss time ago.

    You must have gone to school a long time ago, because I went to high school a decade ago and no one was ever forced to say the pledge (before someone gets stupid, I'm honestly referring to my experience).
     

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