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Why do criminals in other countries obey gun laws?

Discussion in 'Gun Control' started by Galileo, Mar 12, 2017.

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  1. Rucker61

    Rucker61 Well-Known Member

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    How easy is it to get guns in Belgium or Russia?
     
    Rucker61, Mar 30, 2017
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    It is impossible for a criminal to legally buy a gun in the US.
     
    TOG 6, Mar 30, 2017
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  3. Montegriffo

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    No idea, I live in England.
     
    Montegriffo, Mar 30, 2017
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  4. Montegriffo

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    Yet it is extremely easy to do.
     
    Montegriffo, Mar 30, 2017
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    No. "Impossible" means it cannot be done.
    Criminals may only buy guns -il-legally.
     
    TOG 6, Mar 30, 2017
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  6. Rucker61

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    Yet you claim to know all about how easy it is to get guns in the US.
     
    Rucker61, Mar 30, 2017
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  7. Vegas giants

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    Take out the word legally and you are right. We make the process incredibly easy for criminals to buy guns
     
    Vegas giants, Mar 30, 2017
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    We've totally banned the legal ability to purchase heroin and meth; has that affected the criminal's ability to buy and sell heroin and meth?
     
    Rucker61, Mar 30, 2017
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    Yes it has. It would be Far far far easier for them to purchase meth if our drug laws were the same as our gun laws.
     
    Vegas giants, Mar 30, 2017
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    Yet it is extremely easy for criminals to obtain guns.
     
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    They can only do so illegally, contrary to your claim.
    Since it is already illegal for them to buy a gun, and they can "easily" break that law, what do you suggest?
     
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    But we have laws with serious penalties to dissuade them from doing so? Do you think we need more laws with serious penalties because the current laws with serious penalties aren't working?
     
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    The way to remove the criminal's ability to buy and sell heroin and meth is to make it difficult to obtain them and remove all the heroine and meth from the country.
    The parallel between guns and drugs is the huge amounts of money made selling them and the loss of criminal income you get by removing them.
     
    Montegriffo, Mar 30, 2017
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  14. Montegriffo

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    I never claimed any such thing, I merely pointed out that criminals can easily obtain guns.
     
    Montegriffo, Mar 30, 2017
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    We've had a War on Drugs for decades with the intent of making it impossible to buy, make, import and use illegal drugs, yet heroin and meth permeate this country unabated.

    There's also no right to own heroin. We have a protected right to own firearms.
     
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    Yes. You also need to enforce those laws and remove the outdated 2nd amendment so that only genuine reasons such as hunting give you the right to obtain a firearm licence.
     
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    double post deleted
     
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    Clearly we do
     
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    If we enforced those laws, we'd be fine. Do you understand what it would take to remove the 2nd Amendment? Are you willing to come over and take doors with SWAT to confiscate guns?
     
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    You did, but let's move past that.
    Since it is already illegal for them to buy a gun, and they can "easily" break that law, what do you suggest?
     
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    Based on earlier answers, a police state.
     
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    There's no such need; the 2nd is just fine.
    In a free country the state cannot license the exercise of rights, because rights do not originate with the state.
     
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    No one describes most current first world nations with gun control as police states. That is laughable
     
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  24. Montegriffo

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    The word legally is not in my statement despite how Tog 6 is trying to misrepresent me.
     
    Montegriffo, Mar 30, 2017
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    The right not to be shot overrules the right to have a gun.
     
    Montegriffo, Mar 30, 2017
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