Why Do You Keep Believing

Posting a Pic of a famous person is an incorrect answer , after which you giggle like something is funny about not knowing what a traitor is.

Okay - lets leave it at that then

 

Here's a better picture of a traitor, the same traitor, tRaitor tRump.



That wasn't a giggle it was a "cool smile" because I showed you I DID know what a traitor looked like, but I see it made you giggle ... mate. <- means I've stopped reading your posts

 

Posting the incorrect answer twice then giggling because, ... you don't know what a traitor is --- is not an argument for much .. bye now

 

Well, if you say so.

 

Politicians lie.

But even people who lie tell the truth most of the time. I believed that Saddam Hussein had WMDs because he had them before and had USED them before. So to believe otherwise would be irresponsible.

I've studied the Russians (and before them the Soviets) for decades. I know what they are capable of doing and what they've done before so naturally I believe any story about the Russians depredations against civilians.

 

No need to be evasive just because his facts don't support your (fantasy) story.

 

Are you denying it? I don't think even Russians are trying to deny it. It would be an absurd claim.

These criminals need to be brought to justice.

 

The same people who produce block buster movies are also presenting fake news in a believable format. I'll bet no one on this board has personal knowledge of anything anyone says. It's all been "edited for brevity", "edited for clarity", edited, edited, "edited to fit the bosses narrative" - which is some multinational bleephead sitting in the 50th floor somewhere.

 

You could try proving it, if not with links, in your own words?

 

Oh, I see. You are Pro-Russian. That figures. If you want to believe people are not dying there, then so be it.

As of July 4, 2022 there was 11,152 civilian casualties (4,889 killed and 6,263 injured). You are not required to believe it or admit it, but it is what it is.

• a total of 4,889 killed (1,862 men, 1,264 women, 137 girls, and 157 boys, as well as 41 children and 1,428 adults whose sex is yet unknown)
• a total of 6,263 injured (1,246 men, 881 women, 138 girls, and 193 boys, as well as 190 children and 3,615 adults whose sex is yet unknown)

https://www.ohchr.org/en/news/2022/07/ukraine-civilian-casualty-update-4-july-2022

 

Are you suprised that Amnesty International have published their report that the Ukraine army are using human shields? Do you think that might have something to do with it? If the Russians were found to be doing the same I'd be equally critical.

 

Amnesty International has their own agenda. They get all upset when the U.S. executes some serial killer.

 

Nice deflection from the original question.

 

What reasons do we have to trust Amnesty International?

 

Who gives a rats ass what Amnesty International says. Russians attacked Ukraine, and started killing people. Period. They need to be brought to justice.

 

Russians rape shields? How does that work?

 

Amnesty International are the outside observers who proved what the Russians were saying all along. If they had said the Russians were deliberately killing civilians the small indoctrinated minority here would now be screaming that Amnesty International proved it. It's what happens when beliefs replace facts. I suppose we'll now have to say Amnesty International are Putinists then.

 

I doubt there are many who care how Russians try to justify the murders and other atrocities.

 

Oh they do care and the facts are now becoming known as the previous beliefs are slowly demolished and I've no doubt time will reveal a lot more.

 

I don't get it.

People know, from tons of previous experience, that US politicians and I suspect most politicians lie to the public, both theirs and the public in other countries.

Joe Biden on Feb 24th stood in front of a teleprompter and read off: "The Russian military has begun a brutal assault on the people of Ukraine without provocation" ... Etc.

We know there's been tons of provocation: the US-led Maidan uprising in Feb 2014 killed fewer than 30,000 civilians,

and Joe promised Zelenskyyy US backing if he crossed Russia's red line that Ukraine must not decide to join NATO.

Now Ukraine has huge amounts of US and NATO weapons and has synchronized those weapons to NATO communications standards.

I don't think anyone would dispute that Biden lies, a lot.

He seems convincing because he looks straight at us, not to left or right as he lies, but the reason is that he is reading off the teleprompter straight in front of him.

People know that Biden lies, but are also unwilling to believe it.

 

Most of the people I've met in real life have claimed it is fine for Kyiv to have a huge amount of weapons and that Kyiv is in the right because Russia is the aggressor.

The key step to this line of thinking is Biden's claim that Russia's special operation was unprovoked.

If you believe that then giving unlimited amounts of weapons to Kyiv might be justified.

Or if you make a profit from the weapons of war, then that's another good reason.

 

On the question of who is the aggressor, geography indicates it is NATO:

 

There is a non-geographical counterclaim that we are 'good' and they are 'bad' and therefore expanding NATO is the right thing to do.

And that countries should be free to choose to have US weapons in their territory even if it borders Russia.

I don't seem to remember the US in 1961 accepting Cuba's sovereign right to host Russian missiles as an acceptable choice.

But I don't have the answers. Although Biden has shown what a disaster Democratic policies are, it appears the good and the bad are pretty mixed and we really need a more intelligent approach than just pulling the red lever or pulling the blue one.

 

No

There are those who are habitual liars e.g. Sweet Potato Hitler

 

Who?