Why do you think that Socialism is so bad?

But instinct, from what I know, refers to automatic knowledge and behavior (it means being born knowing how to act and acting automatically on that knowledge) which is precisely what humans DON'T possess. Everything a human knows and does is learned after one is born. You can't support a conclusion that contradicts this.

 

Yeah, for that reason he has failed in all the criticism. Oh wait... he didn't.

 

It's a pretty fundmental flaw...

 

Because too many Americans have been brainwashed by propaganda that assimiles Socialism with Communism, and they are not interested in learning the true sense (and the MANY variations) of Socialism.

Propaganda keeps too many American people dumb.

 

Then please go on and explain what it is, why you like it, and why we should agree.

 

so you're claiming humans are unique in the animal world, complete blank slates at birth?...interesting how we share many common social behaviours with other animals...social behaviour is part of our DNA...

 

ice flows, there's an over used myth...archeological evidence verifies even neanderthals cared for the crippled and old...elders would be valuable sources of experience and knowledge, babysitters, toolmakers...infanticide is generally associated with famine, death rates among infants in hunter gather communities was very high so every child was valuable, severely defective would die quickly on their own...

 

Sweden is the best example of the lesser socialism and thanks to that how is one of the most equal and just societies Your country is a good example of how well works Socialism. A good example of how do the things.

Just start to understand your own country.

 

But there are many elements of corporatism, something you lefties don't like too much. and neither do I I think.

But Sweden is a good example to show why socialsim in some degree works and why it doesn't work in a country like the US. Sweden is a small, homogenous nation with a culture that highly values honesty and hard work; We have very low corruption, we are well organised and most swedes always try to do their best and don't be illegal. There's also only other swedes we're serving, there is no friction. The USA lacks all these factors to a degree, especially homogenity.

Also, Sweden's not really what I mean by socialism; we have achieved this equilibrium between the employers and unions without any state intervention, iirc. It shows how high wages and good working conditions can be achieved without forced socialism but with just the market doing it's work.

Some things in Sweden does need changing though.

 

Because it is antithetical to individual freedom and human nature.

 

Because it de-incentivizes work.​

 

Where's the option for, "(*)(*)(*)(*)s on the hard working and rewards the useless?"

 

I will simply point out that taxation and spending to mitigate the effects of poverty (i.e. welfare) is NOT socialism.

It can also be noted that the number one cause of poverty in the United States is race and gender based discrimination which reflects a violation of the inalienable Rights of minorities and women. While the US government cannot end racial or gender discrimination it does have a responsibility to address the violations of the inalienable Rights of the Person that this discrimination creates based upon the Declaration of Independence.

 

Generally true of socialism but not generally true of government welfare.

 

very true, if no one will hire you because of your skin tone or gender or when they do underpay you and pass you over for promotion/advancement...well you're pretty much screwed...

then there is age discrimination, I never thought it existed until I decided to stop being self-employed and take the easier option of employed, it became very apparent to me if you're over 50 you're unwanted...

 

What part of "if you don't work you don't eat" removes the incentive from work?
How capital gains is working ?

You either have no clue about the human nature or you think that we went from family groups to nations of millions for no reason .
You have signed a social contract under which the state has the monopoly of violence , Transformed America is not a socialist place as far as i know

Sweden is mixed economy and few state monopolies hardly make them socialist

Other animals are born in much later stages of development , humans do not because big skulls are impossible to pass from birth canals.

 

I am Ukrainian. We had a situation similar to socialism in 1920x. There was much blood. Moscow commander Muraviov with several thousand army went to Kyiv, where converged to battle the 300 Ukrainian students. Course on socialism is not supported even in Russia, not only in Ukraine, where the uprising has never faded.

If you bring two buckets of water - Get two dollars, five buckets - five dollars. And socialism is this: bring two buckets - $ 5, 30 buckets - $ 5. If you have a farm, you are the enemy of the nation and you have to give everything people who will use it in a not proper way!

 

Under socialism, what tax rates are we talking about for the rich... 70%... 80%... 90%...? I think excessive taxation is potentially hurtful to our economy and our leading edge on R&D in so many areas. Innovation has been key to making American the World power it is... and if you take most of the earnings of the innovators it can be counter productive. Not many people would want to work their azz off building a company from the ground up just to hand over most of their earnings to the Government.

We need taxation and redistribution for public programs... but there has to be a healthy balance. What is a healthy balance? Hell if I know... its subjective IMO.

 

Socialism doesn't promote ingenuity and individuality. In a perfect system, it would promote equality of all people which disregards the differences that people have which would also be the reason why it would not work in the US since most people do perceive differences.

 

I promote Socialism and I think it is ultimately more beneficial than Capitalism.

 

Brilliant! Seeing how socialism has never worked anywhere its been tried, and the fact that most of America's enemies have had some sort of failed socialism/marxism/communism economic system in place, and that America has become the greatest economic power on earth because of Capitalism--going back to our Industrial Revolution days, I'm wondering how you managed to come to your conclusion that socialism is better than Capitalism?

 

It was never tried , state socialism is not socialism but a scum

 

it never was, because it never can be. here, lemme give you some words of wisdom:

To be conservative, then, is to prefer the familiar to the unknown, to prefer the tried to the untried, fact to mystery, the actual to the possible, the limited to the unbounded, the near to the distant, the sufficient to the superabundant, the convenient to the perfect, present laughter to utopian bliss.

—Michael Oakeshott, On Being Conservative (1962)

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What are you daft? Socialism and communism got its start during the Russian Revolution to where it left millions of people either dead or starving.

 

I was assuimg he was talking about socialism as in the unattainable utopia that the soviet union was just an attempt at. And since it's unnatainable, it has never been tried per definition. tho the tries to try have been horrible, and yes I agree with you; that is what most normal people'd call socialism. But they themselves always insist that that was never real socialism. and that's a good indicator that it doesn't work.