Why does a persons education level matter how they voted?

It's interesting to note that many on the Left regard a college education as a sign of intelligence. A most telling marker (of lack of intelligence) in itself!

 

Spot on! An astute observation.

 

Well, there's that .. and there's the fact that many of the modern 'degrees' are utterly worthless, and only require an IQ of about 20 to complete. Ever compared the Entry Score for Gender Studies, to the Entry Score for Medicine?

 

So Feminist Dance Theory contributes to society, does it? How about a PhD in Beyonce?

If you regard the production of more baristas and waitresses as a boon for America, then I can understand you thinking the way you do.

 

I did watch an article a while back that explained how affirmative action had given access to medical schools for people of color when the same scores for alternate races wouldn't have come close. Wasn't a small difference- and in the case of medical education, shouldn't have been allowed at all. It's not all government changes either. Many universities have lost sight of the purpose of developing qualities, skills and leadership, and have become diploma mills. They are selling the symbolism of the degree and institutional name instead of delivering the education that they were built to do in the first place.

 

Where did you obtain your PhDs in those fields?

I respect education, and do not mistake institutions of higher learning for trade schools. In reputable universities, there is a range of academic requirements to broaden the perspective as well as understanding of the student. I regard such a holistic educational experience as fulfilling the individual's intellectual potential and accruing to the betterment of the United States.

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In contrast, I see it this way:

Universities provide two services.

1) Vocational training for the sole purpose of securing well paid life employment. An activity which should be fully funded (IMO, but then I'm a Leftie).

2) A very old and established tradition .. the provision of 'recreational' courses for those who do not need to provide for themselves. This was always and still is, strictly for the very rich - who can afford to indulge their passion for 17thC French Poetry. Keep in mind I'm not dissing this side of the coin at all. I would love to indulge my interests thusly, but even given that I can pay for such a course, I STILL wouldn't do it. It's just too 'rich' for the average Middle Class family like mine. Such pursuits are the province of the untouchably wealthy.

 

Cute...... The fictional college from the movie "Animal House" is your alma mater?
Cool.

 

The inability to distinguish between education and formal education is very telling when it comes to intelligence.

 

and let's not forget, much of that 'formal' education is utter nonsense, and is easily accessible to the dumbest high school graduate.

 

I think their inability to pay off their student debts with their vaunted formal education will be enough to eventually hammer it into their heads that something is drastically wrong. Until then, well... I love a good laugh as much as the next guy.

 

It is hilarious, no mistake. But I feel bad for these poor kids. At least they have the excuse of having been terribly sheltered (as is the wont of liberal parents - protecting their kids from the influence of the alternative), and dopey 17/18 year olds. The parents OTOH, are reprehensible.

 

Well yeah, it's easy to feel sorry for them, except that I am a firm believer in free will. Sure, these millenials are very very very late bloomers, which isn't their fault. Still... by the time you're 17, you either have moral culpability or you're a worthless piece of human excrement.

There has to be a cut off point between being a child who needs parents who will teach them and an adult who is far too old to be wondering who is going to change their diaper. I put that somewhere around 17 at the very very very latest.

That's when I had to start making my own way in life. I wasn't really ready, but I did have the basics down. Hell, I had the basics down when I was ten. So what the hell is up with these 30 year olds living at home?

 

I guess I'm thinking about these kids who formed ideas about college courses in their earlier teens, and were actually encouraged by reprehensible parents to pursue those goals. No one actually said to them "well, my little Non-Binary Snowflake,if you're going to study Feminist Dance Theory, you're going to need to be very very rich - because you will not be able to support yourself, much less a family, on such 'credentials'. So they proceed without ever considering how they will earn a living, because Mom & Dad don't appear to be worried about it. Kids will generally pick up 'worry' cues from parents .. so if parents behave as though it's totally reasonable and realistic to indebt yourself $50k+, without being qualified to do more than part time waitressing, they won't make the connection. It's hard, even at 17, to have a well developed sense of responsibility etc, when none has been modelled for you at home.

You probably had the basics down at 17 because your own parents modelled responsibility. That's my point. When your parents are utterly infantile (and any parent who encourages Gender Studies et al, is most decidedly an infant), you don't have any way of 'knowing' that stuff.

 

So where's the cutoff point\? I know there is one, but 20 is too much and 10 is not enough.

 

I put it at about 25. It can be very difficult to grasp what you've missed until you've spent enough time in the world to have been exposed to a variety of 'cat skinning' methods. Even harder if you've surrounded yourself with other 'infants'.

 

25 is pretty damn old to be learning about life.

Morally, okay. Ethical culpability has to start somewhere between an infant and an old man, but 25? For most of our history, that's been middle age. Hell, 5 more years and we're talking about women hitting the wall.

Sorry, but I disagree. It's not about what kids have been taught, but rather what they need to know in order to make sure our species survive. 25 is far too late.

 

Education=Indoctrination these days.

 

From your post it appears that you don't have a college degree. I'm sure that you can always find highly intelligent persons without degrees, but that doesn't mean that degrees are useless. For the average person, the best paying jobs require a college degree.

However there are people who use college, not so much to get a degree, but to gain access to knowledge that one might not get elsewhere. Remember that highly intelligent people will seek out what they need to know, teachers and schools are secondary to the process.

Bill Gates is famously a college dropout. Though, I'm sure he is better educated than most.

 

not for long, and in many cases, that isn't true right now.

For example, being able to put a "because" after "from your post it appears that you don't have a college degree" tells me that you probably don't have one.

but putting something after the word because is a herculean task for anybody who has a useless degree.

 

You are letting your hatred of what you imagine the left to be cloud your reasoning. You see, the anti-Fascists only come out when "white nationalists" are out spouting their bit.

So how is it that the right-wingers only protest on weekends and the anti-Fascists who are counter protesting them be the weekday? Do you live in a time, or calendar warp?

What stands out in my mind about the Tea Party was the numbers of them who would say things like, "Keep the government away from my Social Security." - or their Medicare.

Didn't make them sound very knowledgeable on the subject.

The other moment was when Bernie Sanders told a Tea Partier that having a conversation with her was like having a conversation with a table leg.

Plus, wasn't it Bernie's people who first made light of the fact that the same group of people were popping up at all the Tea Party disruptions at congressmen's town hall meetings, all across the county?

 

I don't think Bernie was even on the radar screen back in 2009.

Bernie was just another socialist kook who was never able to hold down a real job in the private sector and when he was hungry and needed a shower would get himself arrested at some protest.

 

Given ideal circumstances (ie, parents who were excellent role models for responsibility and wise choices), I'd agree. Unfortunately, fewer and fewer kids are receiving the benefit of such parenting. The infantile "whatever makes you happy" parenting model is dangerously common. Those kids need a few extra years in a world which doesn't care about your passion for 17thC Poetry, to recognise that for 99% of us it's a game of survival, not of self-indulgence.

 

There are whole professions, whole industries that are unknowable to those without the proper educational credentials. A lot of it has to do with weeding out the unfit.

In many ways I agree that a college degree does not make one more intelligent. A friend of mine often jokes, "Do you know what artificial intelligence is? That is where they send an average guy to college and give him a degree."

There are things, however, that require considerably more knowledge and abstract thinking than can be taught on the job. Motivated people will aquire what they need. Beyond producing a breakthrough, one needs the proof a college degree provides, to demonstrate that they have aquired that level of understanding.

That said, I have run into quite a bit of college educated individuals who I thought were on the dumb side. Being as the number one factor in getting a college degree is the ability to pay for it, I have always figured that these individuals must have been slow students with well to do parents. The AI crowd as my friend would joke. You see these people a lot in corporate structures. They often have confusing titles, often called administrators, or more affectionately, bean counters.

 

See what happens when you get your news from right-wing sources? You miss all the good stuff.

For years Bernie did a weekly radio show with Thom Hartmann, called Brunch With Bernie. He began doing it back when Bush was president.

Plus he has been an unbeatable candidate in Vermont. Apparently the people of Vermont think he is doing the job they want him to do. They keep voting for him. And Vermont is one of those states that tends to be better off than most.