Why does UK Socialist Party and SPGB support mass immigration?

As I have pointed ut illegal imigration is fine. It is when Immigrants get rights that they cause trouble -they work less, they claim more and they cause trouble. You have already established that your use of 'fascist' is just pointless nonsense ued to describe anyone to the vague right of politics

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Not the contrary. I doubt they have any liking for it eprsonally but they see it as usefull opoosition to western liberalism and will often defend it. The disgusting SWP even seperated sexes of their activists during meetings n Muslim areas. In the same way the disgusting en Livingstone is not personally anti Jewish but he cynically exploits Muslim hatred of Jews in order to try and win votes

 

I stopped reading here. Clearly you haven't got a valid argument

 

That most effective policy is still not enough to magically turn poor countries into rich ones overnight. Its not a panacea. We dont have one, economic development takes decades. In the meantime, immigration restrictions need to be in place.

Also, international trade does not require free immigration. Goods are not people.

Of course you fail when you not even try.

What do you mean by "akin to fascism"? How would border control and deportation of illegals necessarily result in fascism?

While border control and deportation of illegals is perhaps one feature of fascism, the converse is not true - border control and deportation of illegals does not mean the system is necessarily fascism. There is FAR more to fascism than that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism#Definitions

 

Red herring as no one suggested it can. The point is straight-forward: its only through narrowing international divides that immigration can be controlled.

And those restrictions will fail.

Red herring again as no one suggested it did. It is just obvious that immigration will always be a problem when international divides are so extreme. Its of course also the case that those that whinge and whine about immigration rarely take this into account and demand suitable policies. Indeed, they tend towards neo-mercantilism (which only maintains the magnitude of immigration)

I've already given detail, so asking for repetition is a tad rude. Its not difficult: given the magnitude of international divides (and lack of opportunity because of the neo-liberalism imposed by the 'rich North'), there has to be a significant increase in costs imposed on immigrants. Deterrence policies required would have to be of a particularly nasty right wing bent. Without these costs you're playing pretend

 

You have not given any detail, you are just repeating stuff about some fascist right wing policies, without being specific. However that is just false.

Because the government could pass a law that will for example, restrict immigration and/or granting of citizenship to lets say, 20,000 persons per year assuming no criminal record, with exceptions for highly educated or productive people, or maybe those from inside EU, or those who are staying only for a set amount of time, or families, or who knows what else. And then deport the rest.

Such policy would not be hard to enforce at all, would reduce immigration considerably, it would not be fascist or violate any human rights at all, it would not be anything out of the ordinary as far as immigration policies around the word are, and it would not even be "right wing" or any other such buzzword, just common sense.

So what are you even talking about?

 

Clearly inaccurate. Essentially I've referred to Ehrlich and Becker's analysis into deterrence. To generate sufficient deterrence, given the magnitude of the gains from immigration, requires extreme policies.

This is naive on two fronts. First, just like the Tories, you'd harm important sectors such as tertiary education. Second, you'd just shift immigration from legal to illegal. Given anti-immigration attitudes are typically right wing, there is no surprise that those involved are utopian (and suddenly find government to be highly effective).

 

Clearly you are unable to understand anything that hasn't been circulated to you in party notes. Illegal immigrants make great workers, if you are too thick to understand why I suggest you enter the real world

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Tertiary education is not harmed because a few 3rd world marxists can;t get to preach their nonsense in UK universities

 

Its these sort of vacuous remarks that convinces me that you do not have an argument.

 

DO you think that you have convinced anyone here that you have an argument? You just sound like a doctrinaire lefty who quotes in house academics without reading anything else and think you are an authority. Frankly I think you are an ignoramus and don;t have half the brain you think you have.

 

Its difficult to convince folk of reality when they are so insistent on making ridiculous comment. I refer to academic research because it is best practice. Your response to it only tells me that your ideology isn't reality friendly

 

This from somebody who says that the Socialist Workers Party arent Socialist.

 

Again, zero ability to respond to the point made. Are you seriously telling me that you shouldn't support your analysis with evidence? I do have to ask, given your arguments aren't reality friendly

 

You aren;t reality friendly. Yo are a member of a tuppeny ha'penny party with ess supporters than Acrington Stanley

 

You continue to say nothing. Try content, that might entertain

 

poor little reivers

 

No content. Waste of time!

 

Poor little reiver with his own little private langauge with private defintions. Living in a world of make beleive.

 

Fascist oriented? so what, the law is the law.

visas could be denied, people locked up, work denied etc.. soon enough they will stop coming

and you saw Stalin allow mass immigration from the capitalist world? -- no you did not

The main Socialist parties want out of the EU anyhow

 

They are all Trotsyites those people, so no wonder they never gain power.

Lenninism is far more practical.

 

It's easy enough to do - how do these people get in in the first place?

Sort the problem out at source.

 

How do you figure that?

Tertiary education fees have increased 3 times since all this awful immigration - too many people chasing too few courses, and hence a dumbing down of local brains, ie: those who cannot afford it.

So you also have this the wrong way around.

anyway, Reiver - what is your party?

 

Reiver is whining because so twattish Indian Marxist couldn't get a Visa to take up a lecturing position at the University of susessex in sme pointless Socia science course.

 

ok, I see - so he feels sorry for the teachers - but how about the students, ie: local kids who can longer afford the course?

kind of short termism if you ask me -

 

Really?! Haha that is facking funny.

 

Say you do know that students don't actually pay for the course whilst they are studying?
It's only after completion and after you earn +25k (I think)
Raising the tuition fee just raises the rate of return.
It's the living expenses that really harms the piggy bank.