Why does UK Socialist Party and SPGB support mass immigration?

Link, please. I highly doubt that.

I said you could make an exception to cover highly qualified people, then probably international students and those who are in the UK only temporarily. That is clearly enough to minimise any harm to tertiary education.

You wouldnt just shift immigration to illegal because as I said you would deport the illegals, you wouldnt just brand them as illegals and then let them stay (and it is not hard to do at all). But even a shift towards illegality is not a negative in itself, it would certainly help to disincentivise both illegals and their employers to stay in UK, or to participate in UK economy or culture. It is a first step and a neccessary prerequisite towards good immigration policy.

 

Its basic deterrence analysis. Ehrlich and Becker are the main fellows behind the analysis. Ehrlich refers, for example, to how capital punishment can be applied (but how also increase in legitimate opportunity will reduce illegitimate behaviour).

For an example of Becker's approach see http://www.nber.org/chapters/c3625.pdf

Not true! The reductions in potential students largely reflects negative media reporting where 'foreigners not welcome' are generated through anti-immigration rhetoric.

How many illegals currently reside in Britain? You don't know. This "we can simply deport them" is terribly naive.

 

I dont see how that implies that reducing illegal immigration requires extreme (in the "unrealistic" or "against human rights" sense of the word) policies.

I dont think something like that would have a significant effect. People who really want to legally come study into Britain wont suddenly decide to not do it just because Britain deports illegal immigrants, at least not in any meaningful numbers (they are not illegals so it wont affect them). And I think Britain could do without a few radical leftists who would disagree with fighting against illegal immigration, the demand to study in Britain is already very high anyway so universities wont even notice it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_immigration_in_the_United_Kingdom

 

Its the same problem: large gains to be had from illegitimate behaviour: to reduce it you either have to impose severe 'punishment' or opportunities from legitimate activity has to be increased.

The missus is an economist. I can inform you that its already impacted on the tertiary sector. Weird attitude really, given austerity (and the subsequent funding gap). Its again naive to think the negative press doesn't have consequences, particularly when international competition is on the up.

i.e. you don't know. Amazing how you can simply deport these people you can't find

 

In order to tackle the problem of immigration in Britain we would have to deny the right of work to EU migrants which would mean that we would have to leave it or at the very least renegotiate for more favourable terms which is something that Barroso has advocated.
Or we could just leave the EU entirely which wouldn't be a bad thing.

The other method is introduce a discriminatory system which would give native workers privilege over foreigners which is perhaps the lesser of those options.

There is something to be said for employing foreigners in the agricultural industry but we'd still need to restrict Visas in terms of the types of work in order to stop the effects of undercutting native workers.

Personally I don't blame foreigners for taking jobs here and never have.

 

Data shows how the number of Polish migrants in the UK dropped during the recession but has since increased again

In a column for his local newspaper the Lancashire Telegraph, Blackburn MP Mr Straw said: "One spectacular mistake in which I participated (not alone) was in lifting the transitional restrictions on the Eastern European states like Poland and Hungary which joined the EU in mid-2004. "Other existing EU members, notably France and Germany, decided to stick to the general rule which prevented migrants from these new states from working until 2011. But we thought that it would be good for Britain if these folk could come and work here from 2004." He explained that official predictions had suggested that a relatively low number of migrants would make their way to the UK, but that the reality far outstripped this. "Thorough research by the Home Office suggested that the impact of this benevolence would in any event be ‘relatively small, at between 5,000 and 13,000 immigrants per year up to 2010," he said. "Events proved these forecasts worthless. Net migration reached close to a quarter of a million at its peak in 2010. "Lots of red faces, mine included. "Analysis of what has happened in the past is infinitely easier than what should happen in the future."

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/442782/A-spectacular-mistake-Jack-Straw-admits-Labour-got-it-badly-wrong-on-immigration

 

Pretty sure those living grants have been chopped seriously down to size, and the fees are paid via bank loans.

Kids from poor families will be less inclined to take on that debt if it's three times as great - hence, a dumbing down of the nation long term - all in favour of the multinational elites and their sell off of the country.

 

Wouldn't surprise me

Right but as I said you only start paying if you earn above a certain amount and it's after you graduate.
So if you're qualified but out of work then you don't have to pay.

True although I think the whole education system was a bit overdone during the Labour years.
I've come across some people with great qualifications but weren't all that bright and I've seen the complete opposite.
Also in my school about half went off to uni and one actually has a job that's related to their career.

So there are two problems with the first that we're educating the wrong people but that's how it is plus there's always going to be an element of that anyway and secondly those entering the workforce are overqualified for the jobs that are available.