Why don't we admit the obvious and split the country into two?

There is an easy fix to that (OK not so easy but way easier than splitting the country). The incorporation doctrine was derived from the 14th Amendment that imposed the bill of rights on the entire country. Pre-Civil War, the bill of rights only applied to the federal government. Congress couldn't restrict speech, but states could (and did) and some states had established religions.

So to go back and undo that would probably require a constitutional amendment to disestablish the incorporation doctrine. Difficult but doable. Then States like California and New York could totally ban and confiscate guns, criminalize "hate" speech, and establish wokism as the official state doctrines.

That's a bit messy but I do agree with the OP that we are really two (at least) peoples with different world views and goals, so if we want to keep the United States together, we should be adult enough to recognize that. So far, the average person thinks this is some temporary squabble that will blow over in time. Like the OP, I think this is permanent feature, but unlike the OP I think the advantages of being the United States, even if it's a looser federation than it has been the past century, is still a better alternative.

 

Hammer meets nails squarely upon the head!

 

Acknowledging irreconcilable differences and attempting to formulate a strategy for reconciliation isn’t whining.

 

And Democrat States would have very few people that actually knew how to do skilled trades.... But if you needed some academic who was very well versed in the intricacies of lesbian dance theory and had a high degree in such a thing I suppose you'd be in the right Nation.

Academics are great but they can't fix your car or build a roof over your head

 

That is definitely an avenue to explore. I think the issues we are seeing today is because everyone is trying to exert control over others — republicans with drug laws, religion, medical decisions and contract rights while democrats push various forms of justice that are illogical and dangerous. As the government has grown so has the day to day influence it has on everyone’s lives.

Let states take complete control of that, feed the federal government a small tax and let states collect the rest to use as they see fit. I don’t think it would work out well for some welfare states but they would be forced to get their act together once they are no longer supported by other states.

 

Very broad brush and untrue.

I live in Los Angeles and I bet within a couple of square miles you could find a mechanic who could fix any car on the planet.

I've fixed quite a few of them myself.

 

I don't know if you noticed it or not but I was responding to a broad brush myself.

Though you may be correct.... Stereotypically conservatives tend to dominate trades. And behind most every stereotype is at least some truth

 

Your new country cannot have whole states. Just the left leaning cities. Sorry …

 

Exerting control over others is exactly right. I've mentioned the idea of refederalizing a couple of times on this forums and got no takers from anyone on the left because they still wanted to "exert control" over red states. But in the post Roe era, that may change. Everyone can get what they want through my plan except for exerting control over other states. It sounds like a genuine compromise that could save the country, but it depends on both sides letting other states do what they want. So far that seems a pretty big hurdle, but more likely than before Dobbs.

 

Even better we could make multiple splits and call them states. Each state would be in charge of deciding things like abortions, LGBT rights, gun control, and stuff like that. And we would have a federal government that would control an army for mutual defense of all the states and enter into treatys and such. See the beauty of this any person in all the states are free to move to any state they want, at any time if they don't like what the current state they are living in is doing. Call me crazy but it just might work.

 

It's not my country. Everybody gets a choice.

 

How will they get their avocado toast?

 

Sure it is.

Lefties are just gonna have to learn how to lose. If not then they need to find a different country.

 

Not exactly practical when you're talking upwards of 175 million people is it? I suspect most people would choose to stay roughly where they are but some would relocate to "their" America I'm sure.

 

Great! They can find their "America" in Afghanistan.

 

Nowhere near as practical a solution as the one I'm offering.

 

Not at all. How about instead of "splitting" the country those who are unsatisfied can find a new one?

 

Too funny! So, then Geriatric Joe would put on an Abraham Lincoln costume and get another 600,000 Americans killed? No thanks... 'been there, done that'.

 

This thread isn't about people emigrating to different countries. That's an impractical solution for upwards of 175 million people; probably a majority of current Americans.

This is about people on both sides getting to live somewhere which comports to their worldview and not being surrounded by people who obviously despise them.

 

No, I'm talking a purely amicable split so everybody gets what they want. We can still be neighborly afterwards. Just like we are with Canada right now.

We might even learn to like each other a little more if each side isn't forced to live with the other's ideals?

 

It's cute that you think 175 million people want to split the country. I bet if you asked enough people you would end up with a small group of folks for your cult. You can get a few acres in Montana and build a compound then the rest of us would just enjoy our lives.

 

I don't have a cult. I have a suggestion. That’s all.

The fact that I make a suggestion (which would be open to all) and you see a cult is probably indicative of why I should absolutely be making that suggestion in the first instance. You don't need to join the conversation if you won't entertain the point. In fact that kind of is the point!

 

Such an arrangement should be decided county by county across the whole country

 

That might be one way to do it but why not just make it an individual choice? I'm betting most would stay put but it would be nice to have the option.

 

A small cult is about the number of folks who would be interested in your idea.