why Mormans are not Christian

Then why did you bring up Paul ?

All I did was respond to your post.

Don't blame me for your lack of ability to stay on point.

 

Joseph Smith placed a challenge in the front of the Book of Mormon for the interested party to pray to God to know the truth of the book. That doesn't sound like something a dishonest person would do, or someone who is trying to fool and mislead others.

 

interesting question, did Jesus know how to read and write?

 

Is that relevant? There are many people we know about in history who are illiterate.

 

it might not be intentionally dishonest or an attempt to fool others but that’s not a greet method to arrive at truth

if you keep praying and praying for a feeling that its true or not then you’re going to believe god says it is if you want to believe

there’s a lot of room for bias form yourself in that method

 

Not if you believe in the Holy Spirit as revealed in the Bible there is not ....

You kind of have to already believe in God when you try that method.

 

Just a passing FYI:

John 8:6 ....."But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not."

 

That might just make undecided believers ( in god in general) more vulnerable to manipulation form their own desires

And there’s no way Mormons can accept the Holy Spirit telling anyone there church is false or not the only right one

Even if that way doesn’t misleads converts the church has some biased judgment of the results built in

if you don’t get a message you did not pry enough regardless of how much you prayed

if you get a message that says the church is wrong for you it’s not from god its form you or a demonic influence

Accepting that god would tell someone there church is not the one true church would be if not a death sentence to the church then a crippling blow .

 

That is what an atheist would say ... not a believer.

And the simple fact of the matter is that the Mormon Church does not abuse its followers.

What you are engaging is is called an arguement from absurdity. The question was, would an honest man ask people to pray from guidance about his and his book's truthfulness if he were lying?

Whether you personally think that is valid is irrelevant. While you think of a million excuses why that may not be the best test (its called faith not science brother), it has no bearing on the honesty of the man making the call.

I would say that a man who said that, as leader of a church, would be very, very hard pressed to be called a liar about it. All it takes is one of the faithful to get a message that it is not true and the entire thing collapses. It is not a requirement a dishonest man would latch onto.

That is the point you are avoiding. As a former believer, if you want to find reasons to doubt, well, you will find no shortage of excuses. Is that the best path?

 

Ya your right my bad. i guess the only way he could have bin dishonest then was if he personally did not believe himself

Considering the trouble the man got into that seems unlikely

 

You don't pray for a feeling. You pray for certainty. Either something is true beyond a doubt or it is not. One would think that an answer directly from God would be the only thing in ones life that one could ever be certain about....and all else the dream or vague uncertainty. The cost is that with testimony comes responsibility.

 

I think it is likely that Jesus was literate. The Gospels talk about the early life of Jesus and how he conversed with the scribes.

Then we have the many lost years. Some speculate that Jesus travelled far and wide. Folks that travelled were often more literate than those that did not.

 

Certainty is a feeling

 

Not in my lifes experiences.