Why not wealth redistribution?

I think we should merely have some Faith in executing a federal doctrine and some State laws regarding employment at will.

 

Regardless of how...this progression must be slowed or stopped:

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We have them: you don't want to work, we won't make you. That's all at will employment means.

We also won't make you climb mountains or compete in the Olympics. But don't expect to see the summit, win a gold, or get a paycheck if you make that choice.



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You seem to be missing the point about employment at will and unemployment compensation in at-will employment States. It could be that simple.

 

It could be, as long as some us keep working to support the dead beats.



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Thank goodness for the concept of employment at will, and being able to quit your day job if you are not emotionally and socially mature enough to pay taxes on your relative wealth.

It really is that simple.

 

We tax income not wealth.

That's not the concept of employment at will. It's a fantasy of someone who thinks he should be treated like a child for life. Your vacation from adulthood requires my work, you ask too much.

If you are too immature to bear responsibility for your share of this nation or even for your personal needs, you shouldn't be accorded any more rights or freedoms than others who lack that maturity.

Like abandoned children and the severely mentally handicapped you should be declared incompetent and placed into a facility.




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Most people are poor because of the choices they make. If you get pregnant, quit school, get caught up committing a crime, have no desire to get a higher education, either in college or trade school. Marry the first bum that comes along, your chances of being poor are pretty good. So why should you expect those that finished school and got a higher education, kept a clean life and played by the rules, help support you? Many of the rich or well off worked hard for it. They got that extra schooling. They put every dime they had into starting a business and many failed on the first try, but tried again. That's like wanting an A student to give a grade to a F student because the F student didn't want to do what the other student did to get a higher grade.

I am one of those people who quit school and didn't try and go back and get a better education, or go to a trade school. I wanted to go into the Marines with some friends and only got a GED. Instead of trying to better my education after getting out, I found this beautiful girl and wanted to get married. I have had it tough all my life, but I made it. I have not missed over 5 days work in over 38 years. Worked all the over time I could get and saved a little each week like my in-laws taught me. Then when I had enough, I invested it. I'm still far from rich, but I made it and I got no help from anyone. Most people can make it too if they really try. Those that are unable for a number of reasons, they need help. But I really get my dander up with Liberals keep talking of redistribution of wealth. Your really talking of stealing someone else's money and labor, because you don't want to do what you have to, too make it.

 

I wish you could have been with me in the late 1930's. The unemployment rate was close to 50% and ten men were standing in line to fill any vacancy.
There were no unions, there were no benefits, men were working doing anything they could find for $0.75 a day. If a foreman didn't like the way a man parted his hair he told him to "draw his pay." The mines used scrip to pay their employees...in other words they ran a company store and the scrip had to be used there. The railroads converted used box cars and cabooses into living quarters and rented them to their employees. Talk about a deal.....if they gave their employees a raise there was an immediate increase in the rent. Young people take too much for granted and they don't have a clue about what it's like to be hungry.....I mean real hungry....not just wanting a sandwich after school. We have become a "spoiled society" and we wonder why the poor and destitute in other countries want to kill us.

 

The interesting situation we find ourselves in is a grossly over-inflated economy and society. We have a government which tells everyone to spend-spend-spend. If 20% of Americans actually took action to simplify their lives, like greatly downsizing their home, driving 10+ year old cars, cutting back on high-priced entertainment, reducing alcohol and tobacco and casino spending, greatly reducing or halting their credit purchases, and whatever else someone might deem frivolous spending...all of which make perfect sense when millions are living pay-check to pay-check...the US economy would go into a nose-dive! Average Americans must spend every penny they earn, plus credit purchases, or the economy heads south. So all of the spend-spend-spend habits we have been doing for decades have created an over-inflated economic monster. And sadly, if we don't feed that monster and grow that monster, when the monster is sick or dies, so goes Americans...

 

It's why I don't understand politicians fighting an increase in the minimum wage. If adjusted for inflation over half of our population is working for less than they were 30 years ago. No matter how much money the lower half of earners take home every bit of it is pumped back into the economy. That's a fact and why they don't want to increase that flow is a puzzle to me.

 

The problem is that even though middle class Americans spend most every pennies, compared to 30 years ago, the have proportionately a lot less pennies to spend. Compared to 30 years ago, about $1.4 trillion more of the nation's income goes to the 1% each year instead of the middle classes. And the 1% only spend a fraction of it.

So our economy struggles for lack of spending and demand, because that great engine of spending, the middle classes, don't have the income to spend.

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Isn't the answer obvious? If you have to pay your workers more, that take a bite out of profits and incomes of the uber rich.

Because for heaven's sake, the 1% getting 20% of the nation's income and having 40% of the nation's wealth, both about double from 30 years ago, isn't enough.

 

We've just met and I think I like you.

 

The economy isn't about dollars, it's about the work we do measured in dollars.

• Plan A: I want to consume a dollars worth of what you make and you want a dollars worth of what I provide. I do a dollars worth of work, so do you — then we trade value. Two dollars worth of work went into the economy. We both offered value, and we both consumed it. Trade is good for the economy and for both of us.
  
  
• Plan B: If I want to a consume a dollars worth of what you make, but you don't want anything from me. I ask the government to take a dollar from you and give it to me, then use it to buy a dollars worth of your value — that's charity. Half as much work went into the economy. Only you offered value and only I consumed it. Charity is worse for the economy and only good for me.

Fifty years ago, there were jobs that required unique skills. Skills that are no longer as unique or valued. Folks doing that same thing today are not offering the same value as fifty years ago. Because they're offering things that their neighbor doesn't value as much they can't get as much value in return. And they want more value, not less. That's the fundamental problem.

You want to increase the flow of dollars through a little charity? Well, some charity can help get us through a special situation and it's reasonable to ask your neighbor for some help from time to time. But it's not equal to trade and it doesn't address the fundamental problem.

Every dollar that cycles through the economy on track B instead of by track A diminishes the economy by half. Too much charity damages the economy, is fundamentally unfair to those who are required to provide it, and can fool those receiving it into thinking that what they're doing is sufficient so they don't even see the problem they're creating.




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People aren't half as poor as they think they are. We have so much we believe we must have all these things that robs us of our money. We had no cable or Internet years ago. Today, those two things alone can take a good $150.00 out of your pay check. Everyone has to have a cell phone today. Where a regular phone can still be had for about $20.00 a month. It'll cost you over double of that for a cell phone a month. And pity you if you need more than one or two. We had one television when I was growing up. Most people today have two or more. Then they have to have a DVD player and buy those DVD's.Game machines that cost hundreds of dollars and games that are around $50.00 a piece. Remember the video they shot of hundreds rushing into the store to buy those Air Jordan shoes that were selling for over $200.00 a pair. Lets not forget how we have to have designer cloths. Mom got ours at the Goodwill store. No one that I know of grew up any poorer than my family and I can show you just how poor we were. But we didn't worry what the rich had. We didn't buy stuff we couldn't afford and by God we all made it without any government assistance, as there was none back then.

 

"We didn't buy stuff we couldn't afford and by God we all made it without any government assistance"

My dad was a day laborer unloading skids in a Box factory. He ruptured himself and the second day he missed they fired him. He didn't have a job for nearly a year and then...in 1937 he managed to get on with the WPA...one of the best known government works programs of all time. That was the first regular paycheck he ever drew.....$3.60 a week. People who spout off about things they know absolutely nothing about are really humorous when one thinks about it.

 

Illegal Immigration Laws

Most Americans know our basic laws regarding illegal immigration. It is illegal to enter the United States without permission. The first time an illegal immigrant is caught in the US it is a misdemeanor civil offense. This is because we want to be able to quickly return illegal aliens to Mexico or Canada, when they are caught at the border without the rigors of a jury trial.

After the first offense, being caught a second time is a felony!

It is also against the law to overstay a visa issued by the US Government and illegal for an employer to knowingly hire illegal immigrants.

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I know exactly what I'm talking about. My Father had to be about the same age as your dad. You don't think we were poor. Look at this kitchen, the door and lock on it. Look at the pipes in the ceiling and walls. Look ot the paint. We couldn't lock that back door even if we wanted to. I know damn well what poor is.

 

Why is it that the only people in this country that are whining about weath redistribution is the lazy drones that dont want to work, and think they should get something for nothing????????????

 

They aren't the only ones. There's plenty of rich people who support it too.

 

Up until 1951 my mother washed our cloths in a big round bucket with a scrub board. That refrigerator we bought about a year before. Until then we had an ice box. We paid for that refrigerator by putting quarters in a box on the top that let it run for 4 hours. At the end of the month you took the box down to the store and they emptied it and it made our monthly payment. My Dad lived through the Great Depression too, but I wasn't born yet.

 

There are three ways to acquire value. You can receive a gift, you can trade value for value, and you can get lucky.

It's not reasonable to begrudge a man something freely given him, what he and another agree to trade, or his own good luck.

It is reasonable to begrudge a man who demands a gift from you.



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tram

How many, maybe 17??????

 

People have so much today they haven't the slightest idea of what being poor is and that's the truth. In much of Europe and Japan, our poor is more like their Middle Class. It's not as good as it use to be before the crash, yet people still have a lot more than what the poor had when I was growing up in a family of 8. I would challenge anyone to show me a picture of their home that looked worse than our kitchen. The rest of the house wasn't any better. It was a slum dump.

 

How "Poor" are America's Poor?

Introduction

Next week the United States Census Bureau will release its annual report on "poverty" stating, as it has for many years, that there are some 31 million to 32 million poor Americans, a number greater than in 1965 when the War on Poverty began. Evidence mounts, however, that the Census Bureau's poverty report dramatically understates the living standards of low income Americans.

Here is a sample of facts that will not be mentioned in next week's poverty report.

* 38 percent of the persons whom the Census Bureau identifies as "poor" own their own homes with a median value of $39,200.

* 62 percent of "poor" households own a car; 14 percent own two or more cars.

* Nearly half of all "poor" households have air-conditioning; 31 percent have microwave ovens.

* Nationwide, some 22,000 "poor" households have heated swimming pools or Jacuzzis.

"Poor" Americans today are better housed, better fed, and own more property than did the average U.S. citizen throughout much of the 20th Century. In 1988, the per capita expenditures of the lowest income fifth of the U.S. population exceeded the per capita expenditures of the median American household in 1955, after adjusting for inflation.1

Better Off Than Europeans, Japanese
The average "poor" American lives in a larger house or apartment than does the average West European (This is the average West European, not poor West Europeans). Poor Americans eat far more meat, are more likely to own cars and dishwashers, and are more likely to have basic modern amenities such as indoor toilets than is the general West European population.

"Poor" Americans consume three times as much meat each year and are 40 percent more likely to own a car than the average Japanese. And the average Japanese is 22 times more likely to live without an indoor flush toilet than is a poor American.

The Census Bureau counts as "poor" anyone with "cash income" less than the official poverty threshold, which was $12,675 for a family of four in 1989. The Census completely disregards assets owned by the "poor," and does not even count much of what, in fact, is income. This is clear from the Census's own data: low income persons spend $1.94 for every $1.00 in "income" reported by the Census. If this is true, then the poor somehow are getting $0.94 in additional income above every $1.00 counted by the Census. Indeed, the gap between spending and the Census's count of the income of the "poor" has grown larger year by year till, now, the Census measurement of the income of poor persons no longer has any bearing on economic reality.


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http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/1990/09/how-poor-are-americas-poor