Why Rick Santorum has won me over.

True. But unfortunately for Santorum, Catholics are much more moderate than a lot of people think. Take this December 2011 study:



The main thing to take away from this one is that Catholics' preferences aren't much different from the "All Republicans" column. The Vatican may be strongly social conservative, but for whatever reason, everyday Catholics are all over the map politically. As such, Latinos in the United States are mostly a pretty liberal bunch even though they have cultural roots in Catholicism. Santorum can't count on much from them.

 

The GOP has serious problems this year. It only gets worse if someone other than Romney gets the nomination. From that "Liberal" source, FOX:

2/11/12
General Election: Romney vs. Obama FOX News
Obama 47, Romney 42 Obama +5

General Election: Santorum vs. Obama FOX News
Obama 50, Santorum 38 Obama +12

General Election: Gingrich vs. Obama FOX News
Obama 51, Gingrich 38 Obama +13

General Election: Paul vs. Obama FOX
News Obama 48, Paul 38 Obama +10

Assuming Obama doesn't continue f-ing up with the Catholics etc... this one will be close but an Obama win.

I am pretty solidly in the Stephen Colbert camp but if the GOP nominates Santorum or Gingrich, I'm getting out to vote for Obama.

 

I hope Obama continues f--ing with us Catholics. I hope he takes Nancy Pelosi's advise that common ground can be reached on this issue. I hope he's stupid enough to believe that Pelosi is a Catholic as she claims. I hope he wakens the sleeping giant.

 

Seems likes he's already done the necessary damage control on that one. The only people even talking about now, would never have voted for him anyway.
The reference was to whether he can avoid similar gaffes during the next year.

 

Oops! Wrong. The Conference of Catholic Bishops has issued a statement that the compromise doesn't go far enough because Catholic employers would be forced to carry insurance that pays for abortions and contraceptives. Others are calling Obama's "compromise" a shell game, which it is. Whether it be Catholic employers or catholic participants paying the premiums, catholics cannot choose to go with a provider that excludes objectionable coverages. Obama hasn't fooled anyone.

 

Yeah except this one thing. Other than the Pedophiles in Charge, no one cares. One of the biggeet Catholic churches in the area is close to us. Our neighbors who have been married over ten years and have one daughter (what does that tell you? He's a bad aim??? Not likely) have invited us to their fairs and such. Great church. Nice people. Lots of families with one or two kids.
Frankly the Catholic church is doomed anyway - at least if they don't start getting with the times.
But vote-wise. I'm sure you think this is doom and gloom for Obama. And your opinion of Obama before this happened? Yeah, we knew that.

 

Yep, hatred and bigotry are no longer selling points to the congregation; they're embarrassments that the average folk don't want to be associated with.

 

If you want a teocracy Santorum is your men.

BTW: the catholic curch destroys countries.

 

I think the OP is correct.

The only problem is that I don't want either Obama or most of the GOP to win.

Paul is out there sometimes, but he's the only GOP guy I like.

 

It's good to see the Catholics prefer the "open marriage" candidate.

 

Seems to me the Obama drones are missing one key point about this election

Obama will have to run on HIS record. And as of right now it is a dismil record

In three years gas prices have doubled.

More then $5 trillion has been added to the national debt.

This year makes the 4th straight year the annual defcit will surpass $1 trillion.

Pres Obama has increased spending by around 27%.

1.5 million jobs have been lost since Obama took offcice. Last month the overall US workforce shrank by 1.2 million jobs. Unemployment is still above 8% and recent reductions are due simply because millions of people have stopped looking for work in the Obama economy.

The US received its first ever credit downgrade under Obama due to his record spending and deficits

A record number of people are on food stamps and some sort of government assistance in the Obama economy

After a trillion dollar stimulus the GDP of the US economy is anemic at best, and jobs "created" with the so called stimulus have cost US taxpayers about $250,000 each according to the CBO.

Yet the left and liberal media want to throw a party, proclaim things are getting better, and chant finally Pres Obma's economic policies are finally working.

I do not understand how anyone can call the Obama administration a success unless you own a collection agency, run a Repo Recovery service, or are a bankruptcy attorney.

It is clear to me the one candidate that can unite the Republicans and ensure Pres Obama is a one term President is Pres Obama. His record speaks for itself and it should the primary topic in this election

 

February 12th tracking poll shows Obama's numbers:

Now I want the economy to continue this upward climb but our GDP is still low and gas prices are rising again. Obama needs to approve of the Keystone Pipeline.

I don't see how he could get much approval with sheer luck. Osama bin Laden was captured on his dime. The troops are coming home from Iraq. He still needs a budget approved, Gitmo detainees released or trials expedited, a better explanation of his healthcare plan, less stimulus that is mostly pork, resolving the Solyndra scandal and bail out, causing a war in Libya which was unconstitutional..etc, etc.

What candidate cannot beat him in a debate? These examples are a few of too many unanswered questions which he needs to answer in a debate. Nevermind our national debt. Let Santorum win you over. It may be a smart decision.

 

So even with the R's beating each other up, the liberal media telling us how great the recovery is for the Obama economy, and Obama in full time campaign mode Obama's approval number is only 45%

Thigs are not looking good for the Hope and Change Kid

 

This added to my post and we have even a stronger reason why he will be a one term President no matter who wins the Republican nomination.

 

Peoiple vote with their pocket book and all anyone has to do before going to vote is buy gas and food

If that happens Obama will be toast

 

Sorry, but I'm afraid I'm going to be a bit personal here. (Don't worry, I mean at Santorum.) Frankly, the man is a bigoted *bleep**bleep*ed *bleep**bleep*ing *bleep*. He once compared homosexuality to necrophilia for crying out loud. He's also one slimy son of a *bleep*. Aside from his involvement in the K Street business, let me ask you one simple question. How does a freshman Senator get to be the #3 in the Republican leadership in a Republican controlled Senate?

I'm from Pennsylvania, so Santorum used to be my Senator. I have some pretty strong feelings about the man, and to be honest, I'm probably a bit prejudiced against him from past experience. I think I'm even prouder of my vote that helped kick his *bleep* out of office then of my vote that helped get Obama elected.

Personally, I think the strategy of rooting for the other side to nominate someone you're sure will lose is dangerous and ill advised. Carter - Reagan, anyone? I suspect that Gingrich may be less electable then Santorum, simply because I don't think very many people outside of PA are familiar with Santorum at all. However, I think you're wrong about him not being a real conservative. He may be a *bleep*, but he's a genuine *bleep*. I think a Santorum candidacy would really energize the Republican base, at least the social conservative part of it.

And I think I just used more bleep worthy language in one post then in the rest of my entire time on this forum...

Sorry, but no. Blatant racism trumps social issues every time. The Republicans have lost the Latino vote for a generation, at least. Just like they lost the black vote.

You want to know what the Obama economy really is? Think back a few years ago. Remember how we were hearing headlines all the time about this or that major corporation laying off X thousands of workers? When was the last time you heard a headline like that? That is the Obama economy. when Obama took office, the economy was in free fall, with the very real possibility of going into a second Great Depression. And for those who need a history refresher, the Great Depression had 25% unemployment. And FYI, if job creation continues at the same pace as the last four months, we'll have completely made up all the jobs lost since Obama took office by the time the election rolls around.

And in my opinion, the only reason the recovery has been so anemic is because Republicans have been deliberately sabotaging the economy. Republicans have been cutting spending as much as they can possibly get away with in the middle of a bad economy. The last time anyone tried that was 1937, when it caused the bottom to drop out of the economy and unemployment jumped almost five points. Coincidence? Fox News and company have been talking down the economy since Obama took office, doing their best to scare the public senseless, when everyone knows that consumer spending and public confidence are what drives a recovery. Coincidence? Republicans have absolutely refused to even consider any further stimulus, when stimulus has a proven 80 year track record of creating prosperity. Every President since FDR faced with a recession has turned to stimulus, resulting in an economy that has spent 15% of the time in recession since WWII, when prior to the Great Depression, it was 45%. Coincidence? Republicans have been engaging in brinksmanship ever since the current Congress was sworn in, flirting with default and a government shutdown, playing chicken with sending the economy over a cliff. Coincidence?

There's no such thing as coincidence.

 

Simply being a Republican makes you a "racist" to most libs. Meanwhile the party that prides itself on stamping out racism whereever the find it are the ones usually using the most vile of racial slurs towards black conservatives

People like Michale Steele, Justice Thomas, Condi Rice, Thomas Sowell, Lynn Swann, and others haveall felt the wrath of libs for not falling in line as most blacks are expected to

The stimulus was the biggest package of pork barrel spending the nation has ever seen. Wher are all these jobs that were "saved or created"? The total number of people working since Obama took office has gone down my MILLIONS!!!

and the cost to taxpayers for all the jobs Obama CLAIMS he creasted via the porkulus bill - about $250,000 EACH

 

Privet Tovarich.

Why not the Red, White & Blue instead of the old one?

 

You see things very one-sided, which is natural as everyone has heavy prejudices when it comes to politics.
While I agree that Obama has not been a good president, I don't think most people have the myopic view of the extreme Right.
Those os us who decide elections remember the days when he first took office. Dow at 7000 and turning on the news required anti-depressants. He had a LOT to deal with! And he screwed the pooch royally - for quite a while.
But he has gotten better and he has had some accomplishments that everyone but the Extreme Right, can acknowledge.
The Middle also does not hold the GOP harmless for the credit downgrade that Moody's made clear, was due to their partisan bickering. Same with the complete asses they made of themselves when claiming they would NEVER allow any tax to increase - until it came to the one that benefitted the Middle Class - payroll tax.
Finally, the solutions the GOP offers don't have any credibility to anyone that doesn't belong to the Glenn Beck Fan Club. Reduce taxes on the rich and corporations. Yeah. That's worked so well historically. Jump into our bedrooms and claim you want "less government". Suuure.
No matter who gets the nomination, the GOP loses gays, minorities, most Indies, most Mods and a LOT of women.
Unless the GOP can tank the economy (which IS getting better), Obama will win the presidency. The Dems will also make minor gains in Congress.

 

I give Obama credit for keeping most of Bush's policies when it comes to fighting terrorists. he gave up on alot of the insane ideas like trials in NYC and closing GITMO

But people vote with their pocketbooks and the economy stinks and is much worse then it was when Obama took office. It is also funny to watch libs try and blame the R's for "tanking " the economy due to spending cuts

Spending has NOT gone down but has increased since R's took the House last January. they caved and gave Obama what he wanted which led to the credit downgrade since spending was NOT cut

 

Rick Santorum now leads the Michigan Republican presidential primary with 33%. Santorum is followed by Mitt Romney with 27%, Newt Gingrich with 21%, and Ron Paul with 12%, according to a new survey from American Research Group.

http://americanresearchgroup.com/pres2012/primary/rep/mi/

 

1. He reversed Bush's policies on fighting terrorist. He took the focus off the BS war in Iraq and began following leads in Afghanistan, the Islamibad, negotiated the release of a spy publicly (a first, but worth it!), followed that intel to Abbotabad and got the guy Bush said "wasn't important".
2. He tried like hell to close Git-Mo more than once but was blocked by the GOP.
3. The economy worse than when he took office? Disputible. I'm sure you're certain of this but I remember watching CNN and FOX tell me how the next great Depression had arrived and there was no avoiding it. Everyone was scared to death. The Dow was at 7000.

The Repubs blameless in the downgrade? The ONLY people buying that are EXTREME Right.
The Repubs have been a mess for years. Since Bush took office, actually. So much for the old definition of Conservatism.

But in addition to getting OBL (which again, only extreme Righties deny him credit for), he has done a few things lately that people are liking. And as much as The Right hopes for doom for our country, FOX news was talking abot the improved economy this morning. It is getting better.

I guess the GOP can always hope for something terrible to happen to America, to further their political goals... They have been pretty ostensible about that lately - and that hurts them too.

 

It was DEMS who fought him on GITMO. Dems ran Congress for the first 2 eyars and had 60 seats in the Senate

R's could do NOTHING to stop Dems so spare he that obstruction garbage

If anyone obstructed it was DEMS who wanted a payoff for their vote like many did before voting fot Obamacare

I do not have to watch Fox to know the econoy is worse. I see it up close when I gas up my car or when I buy food at the store

 

Like I said, your biased is obvious but that's completely the norm in politics. I'm sorry the economy is worse for you.
It's gotten better for me in the last six months than in the last four years. I'll say a little prayer it gets better for you too.

 

Better for you? Then you must not buy your own food and gas

Or you run a collection agency, Repo Recovery service, or are a bankruptcy attorney