Wikileaks: Latest US Death Squad Operations Manual

Horhey · Mar 23, 2012

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Rene Hurtado worked as intelligence agent for the Treasury Police, one of the three Salvadoran paramilitary forces. After a falling out with an officer, he fled to Minnesota, took refuge with a Presbyterian Church congregation, and began describing routine torture methods used by paramilitary forces. These included beatings, electric shock, suffocation, and mutilation. He described techniques such as tearing the skin from " interrogation" subjects, sticking needles into them, or beating them in such a manner that lasting internal injuries but no telltale external marks would be sustained. According to Hurtado, CIA employees and Green Berets taught some of these torture techniques to the Treasury Police in Army staff headquarters.

Frank Varelli is the son of a former Salvadoran Minister of Defense and National Police commander. When Varelli's family came to the U.S. in 1980, Varelli started working as an FBI informant. Years later, he publicly revealed his role in FBI covert operations against domestic organizations opposing Reagan's Central American policy. He has also asserted that the Salvadoran National Guard gave him death lists which he compared to lists of Salvadorans in the U.S. awaiting deportation back to El Salvador. Varelli believes some may have been killed on their return to El Salvador. He reported these contacts with the National Guard to the FBI.

Former Colonel Roberto Santivanez claimed that the then chief of the Salvadoran Treasury Police, Nicolas Carranza, was the officer most active with the death squads. Colonel Carranza is also alleged to have received $90,000 annually from the CIA. Carranza has confirmed the close working relationship of the paramilitary forces with U.S. intelligence. "[They] have collaborated with us in a certain technical manner, providing us with advice. They receive information from everywhere in the world, and they have sophisticated equipment that enables them to better inform or at least confirm the information we have. It's very helpful.''

Carlos Antonio Gomez Montano was a paratrooper stationed at Ilopango Air Force Base. He claimed to have seen eight Green Beret advisers watching two "torture classes" during which a 17-year-old boy and a 13-year-old girl were tortured. Montano claimed that his unit and the Green Berets were joined by Salvadoran Air Force Commander Rafael Bustillo and other Salvadoran officers during these two sessions in January 1981. A Salvadoran officer told the assembled soldiers, "[watching] will make you feel more like a man.''
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Horhey · Mar 23, 2012

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Above are the accounts of the death squad deserters. Non military sources have also reported the participation of U.S. personnel. For example, another (highly placed anonymous civilian) source maintained that Armed Forces General Staff Departments 2 and 5 (organized with help from U.S. Army Colonel David Rodriguez, a Cuban-American) used tortures such as beating, burning and electric shock. U.S. involvement has also been asserted in sworn accounts by some victims of torture. Jose Ruben Carrillo Cubas, a student, gave testimony that during his detention by the Long Distance Reconnaissance Patrol (PRAL) in 1986, a U.S. Army Major tortured him by applying electric shocks to his back and ears.

Various sources have reported the use of U.S.-manufactured torture equipment. Rene Hurtado, for example, explained, "There re some very sophisticated methods...of torture..[like the machine] that looks like a radio, like a transformer; it s about 15 centimeters across, with connecting wires. It says General Electric on it...." Many other documented accounts of brutality by U.S. trained and advised military units exist. Indeed, the elite Atlacatl Battalion has been implicated in several massacres over the past ten years and members of the battalion have been indicted for the November slayings of the six Jesuit priests and two women.
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Horhey · Mar 24, 2012

The WP has interesting article on investigative journalist Allan Nairn who covered the US dirty wars in Central America.

The Washington Post: A Witness to U.S.-Supported Horror

Having had his skull fractured by the butt of a U.S.-made rifle - as wielded by a soldier in the U.S.-supported Indonesian army - Allan Nairn has an opinion of America's foreign policy not commonly shared by our diplomats. He views it as ranging from brutal to anti-democratic.

Even had he not been bloodied and threatened with death in East Timor in 1991 during a massacre of unarmed civilians by the troops of President Suharto - a favored dictator of the State Department going back to when he took power in 1967 - Nairn's views on our foreign policy would likely be the same. As a reporter he has gathered facts in El Salvador, Guatemala, Haiti and other countries where amoral regimes have murdered and suppressed their own people and been rewarded by weapons or the succor of economic aid from Washington.

Nairn specializes in human rights stories. As valuable as the annual reports of such organizations as Human Rights Watch or Amnesty International may be, they remain abstract compilations of horrors, not muddy-boot accounts from Third World villages and streets where people chance their lives to practice the simplest of freedoms. Nairn goes further: exposing links between local violence - clubbing Timorese students, death squads in El Salvador, disappearances in Guatemala - to the sanctioning of that violence by successive arms-supplying U.S. administrations.
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raymondo · Mar 24, 2012

axialturban said: ↑

Amazing to see the things people invent and pass on as fact.
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I must not question .
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Horhey · Mar 24, 2012

And here is Allan Nairn's report on the US "dirty war" in El Salvador..

Behind the Death Squads

An exclusive report on the U.S. role
in El Salvador's official terror

By Allan Nairn
The Progressive, May, 1984

Early in the 1960s, during the Kennedy Administration, agents of the U.S. Government in El Salvador set up two official security organizations that killed thousands of peasants and suspected leftists over the next fifteen years. These organizations, guided by American operatives, developed into the paramilitary apparatus that came to be known as the Salvadoran Death Squads.

Today, even as the Reagan Administration publicly condemns the Death Squads, the CIA—in violation of U.S. law—continues to provide training, support, and intelligence to security forces directly involved in death squad activity.

Evidence of U.S. involvement covers a broad spectrum of activity. Over the past twenty years, officials of the State Department, the Central Intelligence Agency, and the U.S. armed forces have:

• conceived and organized ORDEN, the rural paramilitary and intelligence network described by Amnesty International as a movement designed “to use clandestine terror against government opponents.” Out of ORDEN grew the notorious Mano Blanco, the White Hand, which a former U.S. ambassador to El Salvador, Raul H. Castro, has called “nothing less than the birth of the death squads”;

• conceived and organized ANSESAL, the elite presidential intelligence services that gathered files on Salvadoran dissidents and, in the words of one U.S. official, relied on death squads as “the operative arm of intelligence gathering”;

• enlisted General Jose Alberto “Chele” Medrano, the founder of ORDEN and ANSESAL, as a CIA agent;

• trained leaders of ORDEN in surveillance techniques and use of automatic weapons, and carried some of these leaders on the CIA payroll;

• provided American technical and intelligence advisers who often worked directly with ANSESAL at its headquarters in the Casa Presidencial;

• supplied ANSESAL, the security forces, and the general staff with electronic, photographic, and personal surveillance of individuals who were later assassinated by death squads. According to Colonel Nicolas Carranza, director of the Salvadoran Treasury Police, such intelligence sharing by U.S. agencies continues to this day;

• kept key security officials – including Carranza, Medrano, and others – on the CIA payroll. Though the evidence is less conclusive about Major Roberto D’Aubuisson, presidential candidate of the right wing ARENA party, some of his close associates describe him as a former recipient of CIA funding;

• furnished intelligence files that D’Aubuisson used for a series of 1980 television broadcasts in which he denounced dozens of academics, trade unionists, peasant leaders, Christian Democrats, and members of the clergy as communists or guerrilla collaborators. Many of the individuals D’Aubuisson named in his television speeches were subsequently assassinated. The broadcasts launched D’Aubuisson’s political career and marked the emergence of the paramilitary front which later became ARENA;

• instructed Salvadoran intelligence operatives in the use of investigative techniques, combat weapons, explosives, and interrogation methods that included, according to a former Treasury Police agent “instruction in methods of physical and psychological torture”;

• and, in the last decade, violated the Foreign Assistance Act of 1974, which prohibits spending U.S. funds “to provide training or advice or provide any financial support for police, prisons, or other law enforcement forces for any foreign government or any program of internal intelligence or surveillance on behalf of any foreign government”;
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Horhey · Mar 24, 2012

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Some details on US covert action and day to day death squad operations...

According to US and Salvadoran officials, the close relationship between the security forces and the US government was sustained over the next twenty years.

The US contribution extends far beyond training. American intelligence services have actually furnished the names, photographs, and whereabouts of suspected dissidents, say Salvadoran security officials.

This March, during a tour of the political intelligence archives of the National Police Center for Analysis and Investigations, I spoke with Captain Rafael Lopez Davila, who displayed files on leftist political leaders. The dossiers included entries reporting on their travels to foreign cities, specifying what flights they took, whom they visited, and where they stayed. The CIA provided such information, Lopez says.

According to General Medrano, the CIA regularly kept ANSESAL posted on the activities of Salvadorans working or studying abroad. In important cases, the CIA supplied photographs and tapes of conversations. A Salvadoran who served as an aide to a senior intelligence official in the 1970's says he was shown CIA photographic and electronic surveillance reports on many dissidents. "With this information, we knew exactly what we were doing, who was who," he says, adding that many of the subjects were later assassinated by Death Squads.

A former staff member of the Casa Presidencial reports that an American CIA officer told him the CIA and the Salvadoran forces kept Rutilio Grande, a prominent Jesuit priest, under surveillance before his March 1977 assassination. The CIA agent claimed to have seen the dossier on Father Grande, which reportedly included photos and accounts of his visits to other Central American countries as well as his activities in his home parish of Aguilares. A former Treasury Police officer who goes by the name of Rene Hurtado says that he was told by ANSESAL members that their agency was responsible for killing Grande.

And as in the 1960's and 1970's, when US agents and technicians invented and oiled the intelligence machine, US personnel remain at the center of the system.

According to a Salvadoran colonel involved in the process, the United States routinely receives copies of all major political surveillance reports compiled by Salvadoran security officers. In turn, US officials provide the security forces with information. Colonel Carranza confirmed this relationship.

"The Americans would directly receive all the information on a case even before we had developed the activity, before we had decided how we would terminate a case," Carranza says, referring to the procedure in effect before 1983. "Now we give everything-in relation to captures that the Treasury police have made-to the general staff and THEY give it to the embassy."

US intelligence officials "have collaborated with us in a certain technical manner, providing us with advice," says Carranza. "They receive information from everywhere in the world, and they have sophisticated equipment that enables them to have better information or at least confirm the information we have. It's very helpful."

Colonel Adolfo Blandon, the armed forces chief of staff, says "six or seven" US military advisors-several of them specialists in intelligence and psychological warfare-are currently working with the general staff.

The National Guard now concentrates on monitoring "unions and strikes and the penetration of the education system, where they are brainwashing our students," says Colonel Aristedes Napoleon Montes, director of the National Guard.

Reynaldo Lopez Nuilla, director of the National Police, says he has an intelligence staff of 200, including a thirty-man "operations group." He too, cites unions as an area of concentration, but also mentions the Salvadoran Human Rights Commission (the nongovernmental one, that is; the government maintains its own "human rights commission," of which Lopez Nuilla is a member). And the Catholic organization Socorro Juridico (legal assistance), "we know to be organized precisely by the guerrillas," says Lopez Nuilla. "It's evident in the things they say."

In the National Police political intelligence archive, originally organized by US AID Public Safety advisors, Captain Rafael Lopez Davila, the investigations chief, showed me a special section on unions and their members. The three story filing room also contained a "library of subversive literature," which along with Karl Marx's "Das Kapital" and Lenin's collected works, held the publications of UCA, El Salvador's Catholic University.

According to the Salvadoran armed forces "Guide to Normal Operating Procedures," a confidential policy manual, each army and security force outpost is required to maintain a "Special Archive of S-2 Intelligence." The file covers "the disposition of the subversive delinquents (their location ... styles of action and mobilization)," lists "militants and sympathizers," and carries a miscellaneous "register of personalities of the enemy."

Names enter the archive through surveillance reports from officers and informants or through reports from troops who have detained an individual for questioning. To qualify for a place in the files, and individual may commit such divers offenses as "carrying or moving subversive propaganda of whatever type ... insulting authority ... carrying notebooks, papers or symbols related to subversive organizations [or] traveling in cars destined for points of concentration of the subversive delinquents-unauthorized demonstrations and rallies, etc., especially if the attitude is suspicious."

Surveillance reports compiled by local intelligence units are retained for their own files while a copy os forwarded to the central archives of the service involved. Individual subjects are interrogated, says Colonel Montes, first at the local post and then, if the case warrants it, at the intelligence section of the security force. "All of this information is then turned over to the general staff, with whom we retain a very close coordination," Montes says.

This intelligence system serves as the nerve center of Death Squad operations. "We worked with written orders," recalls one former National Guardsman, a fifteen-year veteran who says he went on Death Squad missions while stationed in the province of La Libertad. "We got names and addresses and were told to pick them up, get information, and kill them later." In important cases, he adds, special troops or security force agents would come from San Salvador with the lists. "Every garrison of any size had Death Squads. It's that simple," says a US official in San Salvador who studied the Death Squads last year. "All of this comes out of a military intelligence function."
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Horhey · Mar 25, 2012

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Allan Nairn interviews a former Salvadoran Treasury Police member who vividly describes the "execution and torture" techniques their US Advisors tought them. Many of them talk as if they did no wrong. A culture of terror.

"You learn how to torture, how to cut the balls off a person when he's
still alive. In general, you will kill the prisoners because there's an assumption they shouldn't live. If we pass them to the judge, they'll go free and we'll maybe have to pick them up again. If there's lots of pressure-like from Amnesty International or some foreign countries-then we might pass them on to a judge, but if there's no pressure, then they're dead. When it's over, you just throw him in the alleys with a sign saying Mano Blanco, ESA, or Maximiliano Hernandez Brigade." [three names commonly used by Salvadoran Death Squads].

Rene Hurtado is the pseudonym of a former member of the Salvadoran Treasury Police who now lives in a Minneapolis suburb. In an interview in late March, he said that the Treasury Police, a branch of El Salvador's security forces, would routinely kidnap, interrogate, torture and then kill political suspects. He claims to have participated in torture sessions and provides a detailed account of the methods employed. According to Hurtado, US personnel conducted an intelligence course for Treasury officers that included training "in methods of physical and psychological torture." He claims to have met with the US instructors. Though he refuses to say whether he himself received training from them, he asserts that some of his associates did.

The intelligence course was given for one month in 1980 at the headquarters of the Salvadoran army general staff, Hurtado says. The instructors did not observe or participate in actual torture sessions, nor did they visit Treasury Police headquarters, he explains. But in the classroom, he says, they discussed such techniques as psychological torture, manual beating, and electric shock, occasionally supplementing the lectures with Spanish-language written material that was more generalized than the oral presentations. The instructors were sometimes in military uniform, sometimes in civilian dress.

Hurtado, who gave his real name but asked that it not be used, showed documents and photographs verifying his military and Treasury Police service. At one time, Hurtado held a sensitive position for which he was carefully screened. Following a fight with a superior officer, he was expelled from the military in 1981, he says. He resides in the United States without legal immigration status and is being sheltered by the religious sanctuary movement. He was contacted directly and independently after another former member of the Salvadoran military provided his home telephone number. What follows is Hurtado's account of the interrogation and torture methods used by the Treasury Police:

First, you try to torture him psychologically. If he's a Marxist or a revolutionary, it's not easy to make him talk, so you have to psychologically harm the prisoner. If the person is important-if he's, let's say, a journalist or a teacher or a labor or student leader, or if he's a person with some leadership or has something to offer-he isn't treated cruelly at the beginning. Well, of course, they may hit him at some time, but after that, when he's taken to one of the interrogation rooms, you start by talking to him as a friend, you try to convince him that you understand his idealism.

When you are trying to interrogate for the first time, you try to come across as a sensitive decent person-not as a killer. You say you are not a bastard like the other interrogators. You make friends with him. You offer him a soda and some food. You ask him where his mom and dad live, you talk about his wife and kids. It has a tremendous impact when he knows his kids have been captured but he doesn't know where they are. But after using these methods for a few days or a week or two, you start getting tough. You will say:

"Look, those bastards are giving me a lot of (*)(*)(*)(*). Because they want you to talk, they're going to beat the (*)(*)(*)(*) out of you. And I don't want those bastards to think I'm screwing up. So if you don't talk, I'm going to turn you over to those (*)(*)(*)(*)ers and they're going to beat the (*)(*)(*)(*) out of you."

After these sessions, the physical torture begins. First, you put the prisoner in a small, completely dark room, and you don't let him sleep. You place him, naked and handcuffed, on a bed frame. The room stinks horribly because of the urine and excrement of former prisoners, and you keep him there for a week without sleep so that his nerves will be shot when you start to torture him.

When the actual physical torture begins, there are a lot of different methods: cutting off pieces of his skin, burning him with cigarettes. They teach you how to hit a person in the stomach, but in a sophisticated way so the person suffers a lot of pain but you don't see signs on the outside. Or sometimes you just beat his hands and beat him in the stomach, either with fists or with heavy sticks. Beat him, and beat him, and beat him.

After that, if he still doesn't talk, you take him to a toilet filled with excrement. You put on gloves and shove his head in the toilet for thirty seconds or so. You pull him out, then shove his head in again. You do this over and over. Then you wash him and take him to the electric shock room. There's a special torture room in the Treasury Police; only the intelligence section can enter, no uniformed men are allowed. It's soundproof so they don't hear anything outside.

You learn how to give electric shocks, shocks to the brain, shocks to the stomach. There are some very sophisticated methods for this kind of torture. It's a little machine; you use a cord like a telephone, like an old phone with a crank and you start turning the crank. You do it with different wires; they're small. There's a more sophisticated one that looks like a radio, like a transformer; It's about fifteen centimeters across, with connecting wires. It says General Electric on it.

It's like if you have a stereo and you don't know how to use it, you learn: This generates twenty volts, this forty volts, this will give a serious blow, this less so, this one will kill a person. You put the wires on the prisoner's vital parts. You place the wires between the prisoners's teeth, on the penis, in the vagina. The prisoners feel it more if their feet are in water, and they're seated on iron so the blow is stronger. If you put mineral water on them and then do the shock, it's agonizing.

In general, you will kill the prisoners because there's an assumption they shouldn't live. If we pass them to the judge, they'll go free and we'll maybe have to pick them up again. If there's lots of pressure-like from Amnesty International or some foreign countries-then we might pass them on to a judge, but if there's no pressure, then they're dead. When it's over, you just throw him in the alleys with a sign saying Mano Blanco, ESA (Secret Anticommunist Army), or Maximiliano Hernandez Brigade [three names commonly used by Salvadoran Death Squads].

You learn how to torture, how to cut the balls off a person when he's still alive. These are the things that happen in war.
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Horhey · Mar 25, 2012

Well, apparently Col Carranza, the Treasury Police death squad leader was right (see Los Angeles Times article below).

A National Police detective and member of the elite explosives unit established by AID's Public Safety Program says four of his associates visited the United States for an explosives course in November 1983. "I've been visited by some members of the embassy with whom I've always maintained good relations," Carranza told me last september, "and I have the promise that they are going to help us train our personnel." He said he also needed investigation and interrogation equipment, and was unruffled by the fact that US law prohibits such aid. "Yes," he remarked, "but by means of other ways, by let's say friendship with some members of the American embassy, I think I can get not only equipment but training."
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The Los Angeles Times: U.S. to Bee Up Police Forces in Central America

The Reagan Administration is planning a major expansion of aid to Central America's internal security forces, renewing official U.S. ties with police units that have long been accused of death squad assassinations, government officials said Wednesday.
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Human Rights Watch immediately blew the whistle:

Human Rights Watch: Settling into routine: human rights abuses in Duarte's second year

[Human Rights Watch] believes the training the police is an extremely dangerous undertaking by the United States, which will become tarred in with the brush of the abuses commited by the security forces.

These problems were noted in the press as well:

The new training program begun three weeks ago will help police forces, most of which have an unsavory record. The large intelligence units of the Treasury Police and the National Guard were once considered by American diplomats to be little more than standing Death Squads.
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Horhey · Mar 25, 2012

The Treasury Police, National Police and National Guard were some of the most notorious death squads in El Salvador. They didnt wear police uniforms. They werent those kind of cops, working the beat. They wore civillian clothing while they engaged in "clandestine terror." Their primary function was to act as assassination squads on behalf of the oligarchy and the wealthy landowners and to "observe all activity that tends to inflame passions among the peasant masses or in rural communities and when necessary, repress through licit means any disorder that should occur."

The Christian Science Monitor: Church, rights groups protest US training of Salvador's police

The resumed training of El Salvador's police forces by United States military advisers has brought protests from the Roman Catholic Church and human rights groups here.
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The Los Angeles Times: Church Leaders Ask End to Salvador Aid

In one of the largest cooperative protests by U.S. religious leaders since the Vietnam War, more than 420 national and local religious officials have signed an open letter to Congress calling for an end to U.S. military aid to the regime in El Salvador.
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Horhey · Mar 25, 2012

Shortly after the US increased aid to the Treasury Police, National Police and National Guard, a 1988 Amnesty International report warned of an "alarming rise" in death squad activity by the security forces and military:

Amnesty International: El Salvador: "death squads"--a government strategy

Amnesty International has been concerned over the past year at the escalation of torture, "disappearances" and extrajudicial executions in El Salvador, carried out by uniformed and plainclothes "death squads" [c]landestine paramilitary groups].

The death squad style is to operate in secret but to leave mutilated bodies of victims as a means of terrifying the population. The ordinary citizen has no protection. There can be no recourse to the police or military when they themselves carry out the death squad killings.
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The Los Angeles Times: Death-Squad Killings Rise in El Salvador, Report Says

Right-wing death squads have abducted, tortured and executed hundreds of Salvadorans in the last 18 months in an escalation of their clandestine activity, Amnesty International said Tuesday.

"Killings by these squads are now the most alarming aspect of the human rights situation in the country. . . . Victims are customarily found mutilated, decapitated, dismembered, strangled or showing marks of torture or rape," it said.

The actions are allegedly designed to intimidate those suspected of sympathy with left-wing, anti-government guerrillas. Victims include trade unionists, human rights workers, judges and jurors working on human rights abuse cases, teachers and students, Amnesty International said.
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RoccoR · Mar 25, 2012

Good Morning Horhey,

Other than to spread misinformation, hatred, anti-American propaganda and discontent, what is your objective?

We all gather that it is America's fault, that the wayward, duped and wholly unaccountable Central and South American People had nothing what so ever to do with these atrocities. We get your message. These poor and down trodden citizen soldiers of these Central and South American countries are absolutely kind, gentle people, and they would never in a million years, ever conduct such heinous crimes if it were not for the American. These people had zero control over themselves. That the Americans controlled every aspect of there treacherous acts and forced them to torture and kill their own people. OK! We got it.

Now, what in the hell did you get out of it? What is your game here?

Are you trying to wash the blood off the hand of the Central and South American Forces that did this? Are you trying to convince someone that the Central and South American people are so weak minded, that when faced against an American, they have no control over themselves? That they love their people but will torture them because they are under the control of an American and have no will of their own? That somehow, magically, these Americans zapped their will power completely away and turned them into monsters?

OK, we get that. These poor ignorant, demoralized, demonic basters in Central and South America were under the complete control of the Americans and unable to know the difference between right and wrong. OK, I get it.

What are your expectations in these thousands of words you have written against America?

Most Respectfully,
R

Horhey · Mar 25, 2012

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Horhey · Mar 25, 2012

RoccoR said: ↑

Good Morning Horhey,

Other than to spread misinformation, hatred, anti-American propaganda and discontent, what is your objective?
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Your authoritarian impulses are showing. And please point out the "misinformation". Just because you dont like it does not make it misinformation. I challenge you to prove your accusation. If you do not respond I will ignore you in future debates.

Horhey · Mar 25, 2012

RoccoR said: ↑

Good Morning Horhey,

Other than to spread misinformation, hatred, anti-American propaganda and discontent, what is your objective?
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Im going to just go ahead permanently end my conversation with you with this. The United States government created, organized, trained, armed, financed, advised, and provided "Execution and Torture" manuals to the death squads and you are arguing that the USG did no wrong at all. They are innocent according to you and I am anti American for arguing otherwise. That is what just happenned here. Goodbye.

RoccoR · Mar 25, 2012

Horhey,

No, I'm not saying that at all.

Horhey said: ↑

Im going to just go ahead permanently end my conversation with you with this. The United States government created, organized, trained, armed, financed, advised, and provided "Execution and Torture" manuals to the death squads and you are arguing that the USG did no wrong at all. They are innocent according to you and I am anti American for arguing otherwise. That is what just happenned here. Goodbye.
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I'm asking why you assign absolutely no responsibility to the host nation forces?

Most Respectfully,
R

Mushroom · Mar 25, 2012

RoccoR said: ↑

Good Morning Horhey,

Other than to spread misinformation, hatred, anti-American propaganda and discontent, what is your objective?
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That is all he ever intends. He can't even answer you in a single post, he breaks it up into 5 different posts, all saying the same thing over and over again.

This is why most of us tuned him out long ago. And Junior is rapidly being tuned out as well.

And of course it also begs the question that if the US is so horrilby evil, why live here? Horhey is free to leave and move to another country. I mean, if I lived in a nation that I thought was so evil, you could not keep me here. My wife saw how horrible her home became and left.

Of course, if he moved to most places and said things like this about that country, he would soon find himself PNG.

dixon76710 · Mar 25, 2012

Horhey said: ↑

Your authoritarian impulses are showing. And please point out the "misinformation". .
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Right here. The first sentence of the thread and the title of the thread.

Horhey said: ↑

The manual entitled, US Special Forces Foreign Internal Defense Tactics Techniques and Procedures for Special Forces, FM 31.20-3, 2003 instructs the "host nation" (US-backed puppet regime) to use "paramilitaries" (right wing death squads) to reppress the "peasents", which is usually over 95% of the country.
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Specifically the part about death squads, aaaaand here is the proof.

http://wlstorage.net/file/us-fm-31-20-3.pdf

Which part dont you understand?

Horhey · Mar 25, 2012

RoccoR said: ↑

Horhey,

No, I'm not saying that at all.

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I'm asking why you assign absolutely no responsibility to the host nation forces?

Most Respectfully,
R
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Oh ok. Well, Im not doing that at all. They are responsible for their own actions. If you had been paying attention you would've noticed that I said they lived in a culture of terror and I called them fascist killers and described the regime as "Himmler-style". My point is that empires have nothing to do with freedom, democracy or human rights. They are all brutal and anti democratic because that's what it takes to maintain global dominance by colonial means and we should be aware of it so we can try to limit it's reach. These policies are counterproductive and literally threatens the survival of us all. It will happen again. In almost every country where the US has intervened they have used death squads, because it works. The strategy of "draining the sea" has a very high success rate.

Horhey · Mar 28, 2012

Acts of violence by the guerrillas represented 3% of the violations in contrast with 93% committed by agents of the State.

Acts of violence committed by the guerrillas

127. The armed insurgent groups that participated in the internal armed confrontation had an obligation to respect the minimum standards of international humanitarian law that apply to armed conflicts, as well as the general principles common to international human rights law. Their high command had the obligation to instruct subordinates to respect these norms and principles.

128. Acts of violence attributable to the guerrillas represent 3% of the violations registered by the CEH. This contrasts with 93% committed by agents of the State, especially the Army. This quantitative difference provides new evidence of the magnitude of the States repressive response.
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