Will Trump ever be Held Accountable for Jan 6th

And yet if that person was in front of a mob and inciting that mob then yes they would be arrested - especially if the umpire is injured Context is everything

 

Hmmm but no action when they exceeded that directive

 

Apparently he did. Unfortunately it also appears that if you want proof, you'll first need to find out what the Jan 6 committee did with all those documents they were sposed to keep on file from the investigation, but instead got rid of just before the R's took back the House (and no one ever got in trouble for this illegal destruction of evidence, btw)...

"The former J6 Select Committee apparently withheld Mr. Ornato’s critical witness testimony from the American people because it contradicted their pre-determined narrative. Mr. Ornato’s testimony proves what Mr. Meadows has said all along: President Trump did in fact offer 10,000 National Guard troops to secure the U.S. Capitol, which was turned down,"

Jan 6 committee allegedly suppressed testimony showing Trump admin pushed for National Guard presence: report (yahoo.com)

House Jan. 6 Committee deleted more than 100 encrypted files days before GOP took majority: Sources | Fox News

 

FALSE
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...-request-10000-guard-troops-jan-6/8929215002/

Based on our research, we rate FALSE the claim that Pelosi rejected Trump's request for 10,000 National Guard troops to be deployed before Jan. 6. Pelosi's office said the speaker was not contacted about deploying the National Guard prior to the rally, and the Pentagon has previously stated that there is no record of the request. A timeline from the Department of Defense about the events leading up to Jan. 6 does not include any mention of a request for 10,000 National Guard members. The former House sergeant-at-arms said he did not have any discussions with congressional leaders about the National Guard until the day of the riot.

 

That 'fact check' was written in Dec of 2021, more than 2 years BEFORE Mr. Ornato's testimony was finally made public (because the Jan 6 committee preferred that it NOT be made public...), corraberating the request of 10000 guard by Trump and the subsequent rejection of 10000 guard by *someone else*. Likely the Jan 6 Committee are the only ones who actually know who cancelled the guard, and they illegally deleted everything...

Please try to keep up.

 

Conspiracy theory on conspiracy theory. Firstly “what missing documents”?
Here is ornato’s testimony

https://cha.house.gov/2024/3/chairm...released-anthony-ornato-transcribed-interview

if it is that critical then Ornato will have the opportunity to testify in court where lying has consequences.

what is “missing” is the documentation to back up Ornatos assertions.

 

Ok where is the written evidence?

 

After 3-1/2 hours he put out a tweet telling them "It's time to go home. You're wonderful, blah, blah, blah" (even though people were killed and dismembered). Guess what - they left. People were even heard saying, "The president wants us to leave". Did you not watch any of the video footage?

 

What if Trump murdered Nancy Pelosi? Huh?
What if Martians invade Hoboken?
What if a huge asteroid hits earth and destroys it?
What if Dinosaurs resurrect and run rampant?

Do you consider all these questions the hot issues of our time?

 

Only one person was shot and killed... a slight, unarmed female protester perpetrating the horrible, threatening crime of climbing through a window.

 

On that day - yes, but others died later. I had mostly heard the number was four deaths, but the Bipartisan Senate investigative report stated seven. This is a good article that discusses all the trauma, injuries, rehabilitation, etc that a lot of the capitol police officers had to endure. Probably never reported on FAUX News.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/04/magazine/jan-6-capitol-police-officers.html

• Lost Lives: A bipartisan Senate report found that at least seven people died in connection with the attack.
  
  
• She was positioned near a friend from her shift, Brian Sicknick, when they were hit with chemical spray directly in their faces. Edwards’s hands flew to her eyes as she bowed down in pain and stumbled. Sicknick retreated to wash out his eyes, then returned to the fight. Another officer escorted Edwards, her lungs searing from toxic spray, away from the scene to get medical treatment.
• Hoyte was pulled into the crowd, yanked so hard that his gear ripped. Someone beat his hand with a pipe; another rioter swung a piece of scaffolding at him before he was able to tear himself free. He ended up trapped with another officer in an enclosure beneath the inaugural stage, its doors, embedded with electric circuitry, serving as their barricade. Injured, he spent hours there surrounded by a mob that kept trying to break through those doors, unable to leave as chemical spray rained down between the planks of wood overhead.
• Dominick Tricoche was off duty but drove to the Capitol after a fellow officer texted the unit’s group chat saying something serious was underway at the Capitol. Fighting, plunging into the crowd to try to help another officer who had been swarmed, he wept chemically induced tears, as if his body’s physical reaction matched the grief and terror he felt in a crowd he was certain wanted to kill him. His eyes felt as if they were merely receptacles for pain; even the air seemed to be on the attack. “Traitor! Traitor!” the rioters chanted, as someone flung a bike rack at him and he fell down a flight of stone stairs.
• He looked down over a railing and saw, one floor below, some close friends from the midnight shift huddled over a body in uniform. He rushed to direct the E.M.T.s to the right elevator. When he joined his friends, he saw that the person they were helping was Brian Sicknick, Edwards’s shiftmate. He realized that a day that he thought could not possibly get even more horrific just had.
• In the Rotunda, Dunn collapsed against a wall beside a fellow officer, openly weeping. In a raw moment that would reverberate beyond that day, he called out in anguish: “Is this America?”

 

Sounds like a NY City subway station at rush hour. Was anyone tried? Was anyone found guilty of anything? If so... what.

Now look at the pics coming out of Haiti... guns, violence... people dying everywhere... guns... guns.... property destroyed and burning everywhere...

See a difference?

 

It would be nice to stick to the topic. This is about January 6th, not NYC subways and not Haiti.

 

It IS about what constitutes an "armed mob" and persons committing crimes. Since the disorganized group of protesters wasn't armed and there was no significant damage... references to other events must be used in comparison.

 

So pipes, pepper spray, flags as spears are considered weapons? I urge you to read the previous post where I posted a lot of the injuries and trauma of capitol police. How can you continue to downplay this horrid event which is such a stain on our country? All because of a sore loser!

 

Some people view sharpened Twinkies as a weapon. Sorry... I can't.
Protest is a right in our nation. It's specifically mentioned in the Constitution.
Back in the 1960's and 1970's, protests were an almost daily occurrence. I was at Moratorium Day in DC in 1971 when a MILLION protesters did their thing at the Washington Monument. They were broken up by a Brigade of Marines as well as Soldiers from the DC area (including me). People were hurt. Protests were common in those days.No one ever considered these endless protests a "stain" on our country. It was Democracy in action. Again, protest is a right guaranteed in our Constitution.

 

There were some peaceful protestors. Those that broke down barricades and attacked capitol police officers were not. The entire event was organized, based on "the Big Lie" that Trump knew was a lie. He admitted that to people (fellow Republicans), and those people are prepared to testify. But all this crap - people killed, attacked, maimed, mentally abused... The false elector fiasco - trying to get Pence to breach his Constitutional duty,.. ----> none of the victims get JUSTICE from the main organizer of the fiasco, because the SCOTUS is considering an immunity plea. BS, BS, BS. The SCOTUS is full of it.

 

The President is not in charge of the D.C. or capitol police.

 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/house-committee-jan-6-deleted-encrypted-117-files-was-required-share-house-gop-sources

 

FAUX News. You have to be kidding. You do realize that they lost a $840 million lawsuit for allowing lies to be aired. They have led you all to believe that January 6th was just another day in the park. They omit most of the January 6th news, including the subsequent investigations. Get out of the paradigm, and start watching something that can be trusted .

 

Exactly how many people were "killed, attacked, and maimed"? You make it it sound like The Battle of the Bulge and that is pure BS. How many folks have been actually CONVICTED of murder, maiming, and assault??? And what do you mean by "mentally abused"? Someone tried to isolate someone from friends and family"? Was anyone actually CONVICTED of "mental abuse"??? Huh? Methinks that post is high on bogosity.

What you consider as "The Big Lie" is considered "Big Truth" by millions of Americans. YOUR OPINION doesn't settle the issue. Pence did what he intended to do. The protest didn't effect his actions in any way.

 

So the assault on capitol police. The carnage. The subsequent deaths, severe injuries, and mental anguish are justified because Pence was able to submit the electoral votes. Only if he would have been assassinated by the mob would 1/6 have been a problem?

All this said, in the aftermath, Pence was gutless, just like McCarthy and McConnell. Pence stated that "Trump put his family in peril.". If Trump had put my family in peril with this travesty, I would have encouraged impeachment and convictions.

 

Please cite a conviction fro "assaulting capitol police". There is none. Your claim is pure propaganda.

"The carnage"> Please be specific. Everything was up and running the next day. "Carnage"? Like Hioshima? Nagasaki" Or after a ball game at Shea Stadium.? Your exaggerated claim is pure propaganda.

Subsequent deaths? Was anyone convicted for causing a "subsequent death"? Ifso, please send a link. More supercilious propaganda.

Severe injuries> Please send a link citing the convictions for this.

"Mental anguish"??? Huh? Somebody starting hating their mother because of the protest? Link please.

Pence verifying the vote caused someone to hate their mother? Huh?

Feel free to take someone to court. In the interim we see that your allegations are simply unsupported by CONVICTIONS.

 

See #36 for starters. I'm sure all of that is just AOK with you? Just another day in Trumpish paradise?

 

Wrong question.. will Pelosi and crew ever be held accountable for Jan6th