Women want right to go topless in public, take case to state's Supreme Court

For work done.

For example;
Car repair, Man gets charged $ XX for an engine replacement, and a Woman will get charged $ XX plus $ XX, and end up after hidden charges, end up paying twice as much as a Man.

 

That actually happens?

 

Yes, I have witnessed it many times, as a Lad,
I used to hang out at a local Auto Shop, Anthony's Ignition, and if a Woman customer asked for service, a $ 20 problem often became a $ 250 problem, as other things were replaced needed or not, plus labor.

I witnessed this many times after through the years.

 

Sure, but being a man doesn't mean 'mechanic expert' and therefore is immune from being conned. So its funny that they didn't just con everyone.

 

Anthony told me;

"Women don't know nothin, thats why they pay more, Men make money,
Women pay."

I never understood that statement.

 

Yeah, but men too right?

No I can definitely see what it would've achieved, but I just didn't know how it was specific to women, even though I recognise that the case which led to the law had to do with a women who got paid less than the men in the company. However, I can only assume that the subsequent law applied to both men and women equally. In general, I found the case quite confusing when I read about it. On Wikipedia it says, "the District Court found in favor of Goodyear on the Equal Pay Act claim, because that Act allows pay differences that are based on merit." It then goes on to seemingly contradict this when it says, "The jury found for Ledbetter and awarded back pay and damages."

Which would include a pay rise I would guess.

 

What is a pay rise ?
Does it differ from a raise ?
I remember the phrase:
Ask for a raise, why don't you ?

 

Same thing surely. Raise/rise are different forms of the same word.

 

And I have seen men pay men more for the same job

I had that experience many times...that’s why I had my husband bring in the car for servicing . They would tell me all kinds of things were wrong because they assumed I knew nothing about cars, it doesn’t seem to happen as much these days

 

Why are you having such a hard time grasping that it wasn’t men who were paid less than women for the same job. It is about sex based discrimination!
I suggest you google more. It happened and was legal. Black women are still paid way less. , obviously you think men are victims of sex discrimination in the work place...so I suggest fight the cause

 

Well I'm going off the Wikipedia article. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lilly_Ledbetter_Fair_Pay_Act_of_2009
If it is all about "sex based discrimination" as you say, then I'm just surprised that the article makes no reference to it. Obviously it was done with the motivation of reducing the pay gap but you don't actually think that a man would not be able to use this law if he was being paid illegally do you? You don't actually think that it is literally exclusively for women do you?

No I don't because of course they're not!

 

Not a high school student, but also not sure what you think they would miss about this issue. At any given time high schoolers are probably more in sync with where our culture is going. For the better, much of the time.

Otherwise I am unsure of your position. Spitting was an example of unsanitary behavior that can justifiably be regulated for that reason, to illustrate it's a matter of how the body is used rather than its presence in public view. What in the world were you talking about when you said it's a rights issue?

The rest I can dismiss as irrational elements of culture.

 

Ron White says "Once you've seen one woman naked, you want to see the rest of them naked too. It could some old biker chick...." I agree with him.

 

Yes, men can use the law if they see they are denied equal pay because of their gender. But it doesn’t happen.
If you believe men have been the victims of lower pay because of their gender, please cite that for me.
As I always say, You learn about a person by the side of the argument he chooses so I know where you stand. If you want to believe that men are victims of pay discrimination then so be it , and I hope you take some action against this discrimination you see

 

Unless men are also forbidden to go topless denying it to women is pure and obvious discrimination. Just as with anything we find unpleasant it is entirely up to us not to look.

No Shoes
No Shirt
No Service

Put up a sign.
It's as simple as that.

 

well this debate has already been settled in Canada through the courts, a woman fined for going topless on brutally hot day, fought and won her court battle claiming the law was discriminatory, why men and not her?...still there is no movement for women to go topless, even the woman who won her court battle has refrained from going topless again, she made her point and was satisfied with that...

 

According to my personal survey of about a Dozen women, they have no desire to bare their breasts in public any more than I do but would like the right to do so on occasion. The Beach or the pool but not in any place I would not either.

 

nor me, there is still a code of conduct we adhere to in any culture...but I accept that can and has changed over time...you only need look at the evolution of the swimsuit in the west over the last 150 years...then there is Bali where 70yrs ago it was common for women to go topless but now it's not...

IMO most people look better with their clothes on...

 

Did you see any of the other posts I've made, or just this one?

 

A promotion is a change in position of higher authority, not an increase in pay. I worked for a company that gave raises every year. Your annual Evals influenced the amount of that raise. The better the eval, the higher the raise.So one's pay could easily increase over that of their co-workers without a promotion of position.

 

Before Ledbetter only men got raises

 

Bullshit! You are either lying or ignorant, and I'm betting on the latter. Both my mother and grandmother have talked about their time working and the topic of the raises they've gotten have been mentioned. Hell, even in the Ledbetter case itself, it was noted that she did get raises. Her argument was that she got smaller raises than the men, not that she didn't get any.

 

real men simply get used to it in modern times!

 

"real women" simply get used to it when a man shows her something she doesn't want to see.

The double standard.

 

Okay, so this is where you're getting confused you see. Not getting equal pay because of gender is only one form of pay dispute.
Have you not ever heard of someone who has simply been illegally underpaid by their employer, because the employer think they can get away with it or because of human error? In these cases, this law can be used because it is not exclusively a law protecting pay discrimination based on gender. That's what I was getting at.

I do not.

Well you're badly mistaken I'm afraid. Jumping to conclusions is not wise during a discussion.