Women want right to go topless in public, take case to state's Supreme Court

You could be right, but you're not.

Are you trying to assuage your guilt by continuing to reply to me? I made my case. It doesn't have to be refuted. You could simply make a better case for nudity. When anyone takes the path you do, it means to me they don't have a case.

 

Gee, I wonder how long that's going to last.

Going topless used to be common on French beaches. I'd say maybe 40-50 percent of women did it in the early 90s. But that's changed.

A opinion poll from 2013 revealed that only 18 percent of French women said they would consider sunbathing topless and just 12 percent do it regularly. That same poll revealed 50 percent of women believed the trend to be no longer fashionable. France’s Elle magazine describes the change in culture as a “worrying sign of a regression in the place of women”.

article in French here: https://www.lexpress.fr/actualite/s...t-de-moins-en-moins-sur-la-plage_1270900.html

 

Correct or not correct?
That isn't our topic.
Our topic is: Your claim that bare boobies defeats the #metoocrowd. Which is the group complaining about sexual assault.

All I and another have asked is, HOW? What is your logic/rational for making said claim? You refuse to answer.

Our guess is you think that bare breasted women, will now get sexually assaulted.
Assault was happening without being bare breasted. And you must believe that men will just start raping women because they see boobs.

 

You should read up on what the situation is like in Pakistan.

Women going around with bare breasts will increase the sexual assault rate, in certain places.

 

I can't answer when I don't understand why you don't see the potential problems. Either you can't or you won't. Continuing asking me, tells me it's more likely you can't.

 

This issue isn't about any place else but NJ? at this point. And maybe elsewhere in the USA.

 

It's why I am asking you what you think the problem would be.

I don't see a correlation between bared boobs and sexual assault.
I do know, there is a lot of sexual assault without any boobs bared.
I know, men walk around with boobs exposed and don't get sexually assaulted when doing so.

 

Depends on your definition of sexual assault. Women like rubbing a man's chest when he is good looking a nicely muscular. Since his boobs are made of the same material as a woman's, but simply didn't get the hormones needed for them to develop, is that the same as a man rubbing a woman's boobs? Is the double standard you see overshadowing the double standard you don't? I can't tell. I wonder.

Women like to touch a man's arm when they are attracted. They like the feel of his bicep. I know a bicep is not a sexual organ, but neither are breasts. It turns a woman on to touch a handsome man's muscular bicep. If a man touched your arm and got an erection instead of a clitoral erection and a lubricated vagina, neither of which can be detected as easily as a penis erection, would that be a definition of sexual assault?

At issue in the example above is, men want to be touched and invite it. Women do as well but it is much more subtle. Society welcomes women openly expressing their sexual attraction, yet hates when men do. These are not assault until the victim decides they are.

 

You're kind of ignorant on this subject, aren't you?
The world is flat, people move. You want to talk about NJ?
Let's just use this as a coincidental example. 790,000 from Pakistan in Essex county alone, and the city of Boonton 4% Pakistani (different county).
This type of stuff isn't just in some far away country you can ignore.

Go to Pakistan.

You don't even have to that. Go find some Pakistani men and ask them what's likely to happen to a woman if she runs down the streets in Pakistan with bare boobs exposed.

 

Let me clarify a little bit what I mean.

In that culture, if a woman even so much as goes outside in a skimpy sun dress she's a slut and a whore and is 'asking for it'. And if she gets assaulted or groped, a lot of people will lay the blame on her.

If she went out in a bikini, they'd probably have her arrested on charges of adultery or fornication, because she created temptation for her rapist to assault her. And once she's in jail, her odyssey may not be over, if you have any idea how they treat 'easy' women.

I'm talking about nearly a quarter of the world here.

 

Freud said it was penis envy women jad but it’s obvious men have Breast envy..They want to touch them they want to look at them they ogle them....(tongue in cheek)

 

Well you're not going to combat human nature by complaining about it.

 

Its a debate forum, not a blog. Folks post their opinion here (ostencibly) with the expectation of refutation and discussion.

I asked a simple question: how will bared breasts lead to assault?

Your refusal (thus far) to answer invites speculation. I speculate that you dont believe men are capable (or should be expected to be capable) of controlling potential urges at the site of breasts. Refutation on your part naturally invited here.

Sans refutation (inviting the presumption that this is actually your position) I argue that restricting women is not a Just response to men who cant control themselves. Men should be expected to control their urges, and penalized for failure to do so until they learn to control themselves.

Otherwise we set the precedent for Shariah-esque laws, which are decidedly contrary to liberty and equality.

 

Works for me.

 

women topless? hmmm ok but only if they are hot. No leftist beefers.

 

like it or not, breasts are sexual objects in this country, sure if women did it long enough that would change, but not sure about anyone else here, but I would not want my daughter running around in gym class topless

 

I didn't know folks posted their opinions.

You are welcome to refute as per forum rules.

Assault? Well, I tried to explain, but I have to assume you don't have the ability to understand because you keep asking the same question over and over. Tells me you are incapable of seeing any opinion, but your own. Unfortunately, the men who commit assault are similar. They cannot see how a woman might not want to be touched or flirted with at all.

You talk of men being able to control their urges. If men can't control their urges without laws, what makes you thnk laws will matter? Locks keep honest people honest. If you are a thief, a lock won't stop you.

You talk quite a bit about Sharia law. How is someone having a difference of opinion about public breast exposure like Sharia law? It's illegal now. Are we living under Sharia law? Exactly how close to Sharia do you think we are at the moment?

You haven't made a coherent argument against my opinion that breasts should not be exposed in public. Yet, you want me to argue with you. Do you have a learning disability?

 

I do agree, if fought it may become that neither sex can go topless - it's the same argument with mens and womens restrooms... if fought they would all become unisex due to gender discrimination

 

This will not happen unless she is 18 and out of high school. It is funny.

 

it depends on what one considers assault, is men gawking at women\girls topless thinking sexual thoughts assault
would a pervert tricking your daughter into playing a game of shirts and skins with the children so he could see her boobs be assault
many could see it this way, I know I would if it was my daughter

 

oh so your saying only adult women would have this right, then that would blow the whole legal case as your admitting there is a difference and that womens breasts are sexual

it would be difficult to say breasts are only sexual objects until 18 years of age, then they are no different then mens breasts

I do not think this will ever make it through the courts, if it does, it would then mean both genders could not go topless.... as no way does society allow women to go topless in public

 

No, I'm saying those under 18 and living at home are under the rules of their parents. It's unlikely, though still possible, that parent/s would want their daughter running around with no top while in the company of boys in puberty.

 

I don't understand this line of thinking. It's not a good argument. You are a woman, right? When you exposed your breasts to boys, did you enjoy it or did you feel a bit awkward and creepy?

 

Pretty simple then.
Don't touch a person of opposite sex and you'll never have to worry about sexual assault. Or even if you are male, don't touch a man's bare chest. You'll likely get assaulted yourself. And likely not sexually.
Unless the person welcomes said touching, like consenting.

 

Pakistan is irrelevant to this OP.

And the fact you think the world is flat might play a role also.