Worried Trump could 'go rogue,' Milley took top-secret action to protect nuclear weapons

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  1. Foolardi

    Foolardi Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Because the left and Democrat Party feel they possess Poetic license to do
    and say what they wish.Mainly due to having a Corrupt Mainstream Media
    and Free Press willing to help and cover for them on an hourly basis.
    I have been harping on this ploy for a few years.You'd a thunk by now
    that most americans could comprehend that.With The shilling of a Witchhunt
    { Mueller Special Counsel } and then the bogus Ukrainian Quid Pro Quo Lie.
    The basis for Trump's First Impeachment.
     
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    Nope...read the War Powers Act. The deployment of U.S. forces requires an Authorization from Congress. The only authorization enforce applies to terrorist attacks. Otherwise, no go.
     
  3. Arkanis

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    Your side can't win on that.

    Simply because your interpretation of the facts and your analysis are totally intoxicated by your worship of Trump.

    Rilley has committed no crime and other than Trump and his minions, no one is demanding his resignation or his arrest.

    The more we learn about what happened after the election, the less arguments you'll have to defend Trump.

    Be prepared for that.
     
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    She and Milley plotting to usurp the statutory and constitutional authority of the President of the United States. Pledging to give our highest most powerful miltiary and political enemy a heads up on any attack.
     
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    Arkanis Well-Known Member

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    Typical answer from a Trump cultist.

    We just learned that Gina Haspel thought exactly the same thing as Pompeo, Rilley and Pelosi.

    Another traitor to add to your list...
     
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    If he even hinted that he would give our worst enemy a heads up about an attack not only does he have to resign he has to be courts martialed for treason. And where did he get the authority to tell other officers to consult with him first about a president direct order? He also had a duty to report the alleged concerns of the Chinese military to the Commander in Chief so there is a dereliction of duty and violation of the chain of command charge.

    You have no defense for Milley if the allegations are true no matter what you or I think about Trump, your hyperbole notwithstanding and quite weak, that's not the issue.
     
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    Foolardi Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Try being 4 Real.Just for a moment.Basically you are offering your personal
    opinion on things.Not Real Facts.Pelosi is the Representative in Government
    most duty bound to ensure security of The Peoples House.She was asked
    by the The Trump Adm. to Insure security by having on Hand
    10,ooo National Guard.She blew it off.
    I guess yer Ok with that right,.Put all the blame on Trump.No matter
    how innocent he is.Because it's Proveable.No Opinions necessary.
    Facts are Facts.
    Democrats Hate Facts as much as they hate Trump.
     
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    It already does. It's called the 25th Amendment. Pence could have invoked it. He chose not to. Meaning your real beef here is with him, and your support of Milley (if he's guilty as alleged) is misguided. Whether you like it or not he acted outside the bounds of his authority, and provided aid and comfort to our enemy. At least allegedly. But I've said that enough times it should just be assumed that anything further I have to say on this topic assumes the allegations are true, even though they very well may not be.
     
  9. Bluesguy

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    He has the power to act without Congressional approval if we are attacked in a nuclear attack and even conventional he can deploy forces and then seek Congressional approval to maintain that deployment. The days of letters of marque and slow sailing ships and declarations of war and attacks not happening until weeks later have long been over. We get attacked the President has to act immediately these days.
     
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    No...the Capitol Police report to the Capitol Police Board...not Nancy Pelosi. There are four members: the Chief of the Capitol Police, selected by the other board members; the Sergeant-at-Arms of the Senate and the Sergeant-of-Arms of the House; and the Capitol Architect, nominated by the President of the United States, selected from a list given him by a Congressional Committee.
     
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    Are you aware of any such attack on the United States?
     
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    Is there such a Beast as a Democrat cultist.Or stoolie.
    Of course there is.Too many to name.
    But one does stand out as a Prime example.
    Michael Avenatti.
     
  13. Arkanis

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    Because after 1/6, Pence still believes that Trump is a sane person?

    Certainly not.

    He chose not to invoque de 25th for fear of being killed by the MAGA.

    And he still fears them today.

    He will need protection from them for the rest of his life.
     
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    The 25th Amendment requires the VP to have the concurrence of the entire Cabinet, who in turn, must be confirmed by the Senate. The Secretary of Defense and others had NOT been confirmed by the Senate, or even presented as nominees. Instead they were "acting," a possible constitutional violation in itself. Further, if the President contests his removal from office, the issue goes to the Congress, where BOTH the House and Senate must vote by a two-thirds majority to uphold his removal. IOW, it is more difficult to remove the President via the 25th amendment than it is through the normal process of impeachment by a simple House majority and Senate two-thirds majority.
     
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    Wait, is he actually trying to intimate Milley might oppose Orange Jesus from retaliating against an attack on the US??

    Besides being batshit crazy.... well... it's just batshit crazy.... I can't even come up with a besides for that..

    I think it's time we all move on when the thread goes there...
     
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    Lame attempt.I don't require any regurgitation as to the chain of command
    within the Capitol Police.
    Did or did not Nancy Pelosi dismiss the plea from President Trump
    to maintain security by using 10,ooo National Guard.This is not the first
    time D.C. refused to use National Guard.It's like the 3rd time.By refusal of the
    D.C. Mayor.
     
  17. Arkanis

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    You are talking nonsense.

    The US military often warns the enemy when and where it will strike.

    The Russians have been warned in Syria, the Parkistanis also in drone strikes.

    This is common.

    Do you want to court-martial Milley for this?

    Good luck with that.

    This is written in the protocol for launching nuclear weapons.

    Duh...

    Trump doesn't give a damn about Chinese concerns about his mental state.

    Trump believes, as you do, that he's God's messenger.
     
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    Why should I have to?

    "The War Powers Resolution (also known as the War Powers Resolution of 1973 or the War Powers Act) (50 U.S.C. 1541–1548)[1] is a federal law intended to check the U.S. president's power to commit the United States to an armed conflict without the consent of the U.S. Congress. The resolution was adopted in the form of a United States congressional joint resolution. It provides that the president can send the U.S. Armed Forces into action abroad only by declaration of war by Congress, "statutory authorization," or in case of "a national emergency created by attack upon the United States, its territories or possessions, or its armed forces."

    The War Powers Resolution requires the president to notify Congress within 48 hours of committing armed forces to military action and forbids armed forces from remaining for more than 60 days, with a further 30-day withdrawal period, without congressional authorization for use of military force (AUMF) or a declaration of war by the United States. The resolution was passed by two-thirds each of the House and Senate, overriding the veto of the bill by President Richard Nixon.

    It has been alleged that the War Powers Resolution has been violated in the past – for example, by President Bill Clinton in 1999, during the bombing campaign in Kosovo. Congress has disapproved all such incidents, but none has resulted in any successful legal actions being taken against the president for alleged violations.[2]
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Powers_Resolution
     
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    You aren't really going to defend a rouge General telling our sworn enemy of an imminent attack are you?

    There is a chain of command and it does not include the CJOS.

    If Milley had knowledge of this alleged Chinese concern his DUTY was to report it to his superiors no act on his own outside any authority he had. He is an adviser to the President and SecDef nothing more.
     
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    There was no formal Trump request for 10,000 national guard troops. Had there been, the request would have gone to the D.C. Guard and/or to governors of the states calling up their guards. Trump's remark was "off-hand" to an "Acting Defense Secretary," whose own appointment was constitutionally questionable. But, cheer up. Both of them will be questioned under oath as to how that request was made and who, if anyone, turned it down.
     
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    Thanks...you just proved my point and answered my question..."or in case of national emergency created by attack upon the United States, its territories or possessions, or its armed forces."
     
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    Yes we had a SecDef will all the responsibilities and authority of any SecDef. Generals don't get to act on their own to usurp the civilian control of the military especially when they have no command and control authority over anything.
     
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    Irrelevant. Fact is, the relief you seek already exists in the form of the 25th Amendment. If you feel that is not sufficient, then let's hear what you propose as an additional Amendment, not just "it should be amended". We can then discuss your idea, and whether or not it's a good idea.

    But as things existed on 1/6, or any day thereafter, VP Pence is the only person on the planet that was empowered with the authority to, with the consent of more than half of the Cabinet, take Trumps finger off the button. Neither GEN Milley nor anyone else had any authority on the matter. Your opinion about these facts is not relevant, important, nor meaningful.

    However, if you actually have an idea for an Amendment that will fix whatever problem(s) you think exist, by all means let's hear it.
     
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    It was not for Trump to make the request he is not in charge of policing DC nor the Capital nor can he order the military onto those streets for a police action. The DoD had offered to both and they turned extra at or around the Capital. They did get some street control guardsmen, but even they could not just be redeployed. It has to come from the Capital police and the Mayor of DC.
     
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    Okey Dokey Mister Fraudulence.When was the last time a General
    pulled this Milley conspiracy stunt with a major Adversary.Using
    Nuclear options as a pretext.
    Please... by all means enlighten us.
     

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