Worried Trump could 'go rogue,' Milley took top-secret action to protect nuclear weapons

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  1. stone6

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    The President was listening to crazy people following his election loss and responded irrationally himself. There was concern about his mental stability by many in the decision-making progress. The "wag the dog" concern goes back to both Nixon and Clinton...wherein there was concern that in the midst of impeachment pressures, they might initiate a foreign policy crisis in order to deflect attention from their own political problems. Milley's allegiance is to the Constitution, not to Trump. To argue otherwise is to misunderstand the very basis of American democracy and to expose a preference to authoritarianism.
     
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    We don't know what Milley was telling Anyone.Becase we have no
    transcripts.Just the word of the blubber mouth himself.
    There is no reason to not assume there must be some paper trail
    in the form of one or more transcripts.Because it is not believable
    to assume in the least that on Milley's phone call to Communist China
    it WASN'T Taped.The U.S. may not have taped it but surely China did.
     
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    Why?
     
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    That's probably correct. I believe the DoD has already announced that Milley was within his "jurisdiction" in making the call and all the proper procedures were followed...that means there is a transcript. We may also expect this will be brought up in congressional hearings. Although there is no evidence of such at the moment, my opinion is that Trump is close to an indictment regarding the January 6th Capitol riot and his prior knowledge that the break-in would occur. That would make him a co-conspirator.
     
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    But he wasn't, go figure.
    I'll watch for it, what color is it? Big ol' black cloud with lightening bolts shooting every whichaway?
     
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    In a way it does.Because I remember when Obama was set to Invade
    Libya,Congress and Congressmen were up in arms.That Obama refused
    to consult them.Let alone asking for a War Powers vote.As Bush 43 insisted
    on prior to His Iraqi Freedom march.Fastest movemnent of troops in
    American History.The Bush 43 vote went on to be a lighting rod.
    The One where John Kerry said Voted for it before he voted against it.
    Kerry later explaining his Iraq War vote as " one of those inarticulate moments."
     
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    This whole Insurrection Day bidness has all fallen down.That Insurrection Investigative
    Hearing or whatever it was,got advertised to last maybe until next year.
    It lasted less than a week.It was too obvious a stunt.Too scripted like
    the Failed 2nd Impeachment attempt.The Dems were showcasing themselves as
    incompetent boobs.Relying heavily on strict Loyalist to make an impression.
    Like the one Capitol cop who insisted a few times how he was yelled
    at with the " N " word.Turned out he was a favorite of Pelosi.He was a big
    fan of her and she of him.There were photo's of the two practically high five'n
    each other.
     
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    They don't have the link between his participation in the Capitol break-in plan and him. But, it's getting closer. I suspect this is going to be similar to a RICO prosecution.
     
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    What does that have to do with anything?
     
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    Making the call and having the justification to make the call are 2 very separate things.

    Deploying troops is completely different than launching a nuclear weapon. Do you honestly think that any POTUS can just call on the red phone and tell them to launch nuclear weapons ? Seriously ?
     
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    I suspect it will be more like a Russia Collusion prosecution
     
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    Totally different matter than a nuclear launch and the War Powers act allows the president to act to deploy troops without prior congressional approval as opposed to what was said.

    And the fact remains Milley had no authority to act as he did if the reports are true, it was insubordination and nothing about Obama or Trump or Bush has anything to do with it.
     
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    How's it getting closer, what is getting closer and according to whom. It's been almost 10 months what evidence of a Trump participation in some conspiracy beforehand to overthrow the government can you point to that has brought it "closer"?
     
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    Is that yer take on what you Think ... I Think.
    What is any Potus supposed to mean.No 2 Potus are alike.
    No Potus has ever launched a Nuclear weapon except *Truman.
    Fat Man and Little Boy.Plutonium nuclear bombs.
    I am using as reference the Movie - Fail Safe - { 1964 } with
    an exceptionally horrorific ending.Showing realistically what a
    Nuclear Bomb would seem like after hitting a major metropolis.
    Truman dropped the Bomb to end a war with Japan that was
    escalating.The Rationale used behind the dropping was that
    the horroficness of the devastation would leave a lasting impression
    on further warring.
    I think launching a Nuclear Bomb is more like the Movie
    - War Games - { 1983 } where Computers are used more than man-made
    safeguards and implementation.
    But only Top Brass and Intelligence have the expertise to explain
    protocol used for a launch.

    * Issuing a Potsdam Declaration demanding unconditional
    surrender.A warning of prompt and utter destruction.
     
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    "The advisers may or may not join the conference in a timely way. If a brewing crisis suddenly escalates and catches them off guard, key advisers may fail to get on the call before a president decides the time to strike has arrived. During nuclear release exercises and real-world incidents involving North Korea and other nations over the past decade, missile launch preparations or actual firings posing a potential threat triggered emergency conferences, but notification often failed to reach key advisers in time. Sometimes none of the advisers checked in, leaving the president and the head of Strategic Command (StratCom), whose role is to brief the president on nuclear options and their consequences, alone in the hot seats.5

    After this briefing, the president may seek advice from any, all, or none of the advisers in the room or on the telephone before rendering a decision, which likely but not necessarily involves choosing a preprogrammed option.6 Formally, he does not need any approval or consent, although StratCom or others on the call could attempt to dissuade the president if his thinking or final decision veer into the realm of the obviously misguided or illegal.7 Even the defense secretary has no particular role other than offering advice if asked. Contrary to widespread belief, he does not confirm the order or otherwise bless it in any way. But this is their last chance to change the president’s mind before a formal launch order is prepared by the Pentagon, disseminated, and inexorably implemented."
    https://www.armscontrol.org/act/201...-checks-presidential-nuclear-launch-authority
     
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    Could be...except he won't have the ability to pardon witnesses...that could make a difference in outcome.
     
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    Guess.
     
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    Hold onto that dream.
     
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    Would you say "the walls are closing in?"

     
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    Whatever ... It was finally learned yesterday or the day before that
    both Austin and Milley recommended to Biden to slow down and
    not leave Afghanistan w/o in the least a residual force of 2,500.
    Plus others in Leadership in Intelligence.Biden refused to take their
    advice and stuck to his strict order that ALL Troops leave.
    On His Time Table.
    The Problem is this.That was really bad news for Biden.
    Made him look really bossy and bad.So ... it was not reported
    by the usual suspects.It got suppressed.Like the way the Crisis at our Border
    has been and is being suppressed.
     
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    On Old Man Biden ... Definately.Or if Curly { Three Stooges } was around to
    chime-in ... " Soitenly "
     
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    And now people with your attitude your power of reasoning are burning the Constitution and the White House. Lol you're the one who thinks that the U.S. Senate, The American Voters, and the Supreme Court are all wrong and you with your vast intellect can over ride all 3 instituions and replace the President with a sick sad pathological butthole.
    Lol The U.S. Senate certified that Biden is the President of the United States. Yet sick f'd up Trump in his pathological delusional state claims he can override the Senate and the Constitution thus making him the Self Appointed president of the U.S. What a sad pitiful person he is and yet at the same time those who also entertain his delusions have abandoned democracy and replaced it with their own sad deluded fantasy world. Trump is a sad **** who is detrimental to Democracy and our country.



    That would include the U.S. Senate, the Supreme Court and the American people. Only Trump in his pure totalitarian infatuation has crapped on the Constitution, The Supreme Court and the U.S. Senate. It's his Neo Nazis brotherhood and Trump Supporters who pledge allegiance to the destruction of all American institutions(mentioned above) in order to see Trump take over as our next Further.[/QUOTE]
     
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    Yep. A) He no longer has the power of pardon and b) he's indictable.
     
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    When you have a sick crazy F'd up president it forces people to make choices they normally wouldn't. If our intelligence told Milley that China thought Trump would manufacture an international crisis if he felt he was losing the election it's believable. Milley may have overstepped his bounds but when you have a crazy f'd up administration that environment can lead to instability in even rational people. Remember Trump is running around the country right now claiming he is the elected president of the United States. That doesn't bother you for some reason but it proves that we had had a total lunatic in the White House.
     
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    Ah, nothing in evidence except Trump haters like Pelosi and the sever TDS sufferers. The first anti-war president and the left has to resort to insanity to prove their obsessive and insane ideas.
     

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