Would you rather have Russians or liberals interfering in our elections?

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  1. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    WASHINGTON — The Obama administration feared that acknowledging Russian meddling in the 2016 election would reveal too much about intelligence gathering and be interpreted as “taking sides” in the race, the former secretary of homeland security said Wednesday.

    “One of the candidates, as you recall, was predicting that the election was going to be ‘rigged’ in some way,” said Jeh Johnson, the former secretary, referring to President Trump’s unsubstantiated accusation before Election Day. “We were concerned that by making the statement we might, in and of itself, be challenging the integrity of the election process itself.”

    Mr. Johnson’s testimony, before the House Intelligence Committee, provided a fresh insight into how the Obama administration tried to balance politically explosive information with the public’s need to know. That question also vexed federal law enforcement officials investigating Hillary Clinton’s use of a private email server.

    Mr. Johnson said he became increasingly concerned about the vulnerabilities of the nation’s election infrastructure, particularly after the hacking at the Democratic National Committee last summer. The administration formally accused the Russian government of hacking into emails from the D.N.C. and other institutions and individuals on Oct. 7.

    He said he considered having elections systems designated as “critical infrastructure,” a classification that would allow for the same cybersecurity protections available to the financial services and transportation sectors.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/21/us/politics/jeh-johnson-testimony-russian-election-hacking.html

    After Don had already claimed the election was rigged imagine what the reaction of Repubs would have been if the Obama admin had come out a few months before the election and said the Russians were trying to help Drumpf get elected? You'll recall Obama tried to get McConnell to agree to a bi-partisan statement on Russian interference and he refused. The admin's attempts to alert state election officials of possible interference was met with skepticism. What else could they have done without calling the legitimacy of the election in to question?
     
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    Distraff Well-Known Member

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    Republicans tend to support the patriot act a lot more than democrats. There is no evidence Bernie was working for Hillary and did a lot of damage to her campaign.
     
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    Sorry, but there is evidence that Bernie was in on the fix.

    The only problem for Hillary was that many of Bernie supporters were oblivious of Bernie's intentions.

    I'm actually surprised that Hillary didn't also blame Bernie for not telling his supporters that he himself was a blatant fraud.
     
  4. james M

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    So in your kindergarten point of view conservatives are Americans who don’t see the injustices in our society and thus don’t have anything to fix for the betterment of all?See why we must assume that liberalism is based in pure ignorance? Is any other conclusion possible?
     
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    You'll get the elections the corporate state allows.
     
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    Come on, Hillary bought the DNC and then used its power to subvert the nomination process all the while paying the Russians to help her. That’s a liberals idea of democracy?
     
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    19th century baseless libMarxist claim like all your inane posts
     
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    What limited gov't party do you support? You know, the R's are increasing the debt/deficit bigly.
     
  9. james M

    james M Banned

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    Yes the Russians did a tiny tiny amount of advertising in America to foment discord and the Liberals made a huge federal case out of it that fomenting 1000 times more than the Russians ever imagined
     
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    I would prefer the Russians, the difference between them and liberals is that they don't want to be communists.
     
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    I guess our liberals will never believe that communism starved 120 million human souls to death. I guess it is just coincidental that Bernie Sanders honeymooned in the USSR?
     
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    Russians by far. An internal enemy is far more dangerous to individual liberty and a sound electoral process than an external force such as Russia. No contest.
     
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    I support conservative libertarian candidates who are for freedom from big liberal government as our founders were. Do you understand?
     
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    So, which candidate do you support? Have you voted for a R? If so, you are blowing smoke. Do you understand?
     
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    And let’s not forget this is an internal enemy that is very very deeply embedded in our electoral process.Russia is a trivial threat in comparison
     
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    Russians, they are harmless, the leftist on the other hand are by ideology, gullibility, hyper-reactionary and lack of attention to details makes them far more dangerous to the republic!
     
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    I already told you I vote libertarian conservative in an effort to be consistent with our founders idea about America being based on freedom from big liberal government
     
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    :applause::flagus:
     
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    lol..........I did not know this. :eek:
     
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    yes Sanders has supported many communist causes during his life. When Obama took over government was bigger than ever and when Obama was done making it far bigger still Sanders wanted nothing more than to make it far far bigger still with no end in sight. The communist plan is obvious and Sanders has no shame about admitting in public to being a socialist communist.
     
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    It is focusing on a single raindrop in the midst of a Tsunami. The international financiers who run and are part of the Establishment expend huge resources in efforts to impact our electoral and political process.

    They have created a propaganda state - it actually became legal in 2013 for our intelligence agencies to create and disseminate propaganda internally to US citizens. The MSM - owned by the international financiers - then aid in the dissemination of this propaganda and do not present information contrary to the false narrative of the day.

    A functional democratic process does not exist without a fair and free media. In fact, control of the "message" is one of the main objectives of a system on its way to totalitarianism.

    It is interesting that if you ask someone if they are in favor of "limited Gov't" almost all will enthusiastically say YES !

    The problem is the next question "what then should be the legitimate authority/power of Gov't" will leave them dumbstruck.

    It is not by accident that through 12 years of school we manage not to teach kids the main principle on which this nation was founded "Individual liberty is "ABOVE" the legitimate authority of gov't"

    While the revolutionary slogan was "Give me liberty or give me death" the raging masses now feel that is their "Patriotic Duty" to go to their knees and beg to give up essential liberty due to fear of a risk of harm that is 400 times less than the risk of harm from "Walking" - you heard me correctly.

    Ignorance is not always bliss.
     
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    Wow! You managed to refute your own post!
     
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    It is not significantly different from the Republican one.

    And, since primary elections are run by the parties, which are private organizations, and not a part of government, they can and do make their own rules, and always have.

    So, that leave your response as yet another reflection of Trumpster hypocracy, or a reflection of fundamental ignorance of how the American political system works.
     
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    So since the DNC is private, you invoke some twisted logic that fixing a nomination is OK.

    Nice to see that election ethics are at the top of your radar. :roll:
     

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