Your stance on gun control...

Discussion in 'Gun Control' started by onalandline, May 15, 2011.

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What is your stance on gun control in the United States?

  1. I am a gun owner, and support more gun control.

    9.3%
  2. I am a gun owner, and support the status quo.

    9.3%
  3. I am a gun owner, and support less gun control.

    48.1%
  4. I am not a gun owner, and support more gun control.

    9.9%
  5. I am not a gun owner, and support the status quo.

    6.8%
  6. I am not a gun owner, and support less gun control.

    16.7%
  1. Whaler17

    Whaler17 Well-Known Member

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    No, he asked what the "gun culture" is not what the "anti-gun culture" is.
     
  2. Whaler17

    Whaler17 Well-Known Member

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    Most economic theories that make a lot out of the correlation between crime rates and something else are eventually shown to have relied on faulty inferences drawn from those correlations.

    For instance, is a poor economy the cause for an increase in crime? Really? Check this out:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/24/us/24crime.html?_r=1

    "But some experts said the figures collided with theories about correlations between crime, unemployment and the number of people in prison. "
     
  3. Reiver

    Reiver Well-Known Member

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    I wouldn't know what a "anti-gun culture" entails. Those in favour of gun control are pro-gun after all. Irrational preferences are certainly centred on gun fanatics
     
  4. NaturalBorn

    NaturalBorn New Member Past Donor

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    Around 2:30 a.m., a 78-year-old homeowner alerted police to a man trying to break into his home in Corpus Christi, Texas and armed himself with a handgun. Police arrived to see the intruder entering the home and called out for him to stop, but the criminal disobeyed the order, entering the home. Once the intruder was inside, the homeowner shot and killed him.
    The case is being investigated, but in a discussion with the local media of circumstances in which deadly force can be used, District Attorney Mark Skurka noted, “breaking into someone’s home is definitely one of those circumstances.” Lt. Isaac Valencia shared a similar sentiment, stating, “The 78-year-old was very shaken up. In the twilight of your life and you have to take a life… You’re protecting your property and family.” (The Caller, Corpus Christi, Texas, May 23, 2011)
     
  5. onalandline

    onalandline Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It still doesn't change that fact that your licensing fee does nothing in the name of gun control.
     
  6. Reiver

    Reiver Well-Known Member

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    It internalises externalities. You seem to think in binary: i.e. "gun bans" or "no gun bans". The fee recognises that there are utility gains from gun ownership, but ensures that gun prices are adapted to take into account social costs.
     
  7. Whaler17

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    Or, more correctly, you punish those who wish to defend themselves with a monetary penalty!
     
  8. NaturalBorn

    NaturalBorn New Member Past Donor

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    Why not impose mandatory minimum sentences on criminals who commit a crime with a gun.

    Then the problem is addressed not the tool.
     
  9. Whaler17

    Whaler17 Well-Known Member

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    "No we must punish the gun!!!!" :roll:
     
  10. Reiver

    Reiver Well-Known Member

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    Correcting market failure isn't a punishment. Its actually about reducing coercion, as demonstrated by the recovery of deadweight loss
     
  11. Bondo

    Bondo Well-Known Member

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    Ayuh,... We already have those laws, but they're Not enforced, nor used...
     
  12. Whaler17

    Whaler17 Well-Known Member

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    Forcing a citizen to pay for a right they constitutionally have is punishment. We should not punish citizens for excercising their rights.
     
  13. Whaler17

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    Because leftists routinely excuse the actor, because he wasn't loved as a child, or had a drunk for a father, or some such nonsense, while demonizing an inanimate object, the gun.
     
  14. NaturalBorn

    NaturalBorn New Member Past Donor

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    Actually,the gub'mint should tax everyone who does NOT carry a gun to help protect themselves and society. They are relying on the police to protect them more than the Armed Citizen and are adding to the fiscal budget so they should be required to pay more for the service.
     
  15. Whaler17

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    This approach makes far more sense to me.
     
  16. onalandline

    onalandline Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    ...and what does "taking into account social costs" provide?
     
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    onalandline Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There are mandatory sentences with several offenses committed with a gun. Capital punishment doesn't seem to be a deterrent either.
     
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    onalandline Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Let's do it.
     
  19. Reiver

    Reiver Well-Known Member

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    Ignoring coercion characterised by social costs is simply irrational. A market correction isn't punishment; a market correction is an efficiency enhancement understood within an individualist framework
     
  20. AllEvil

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    What if I don't need a gun to protect myself?
     
  21. Whaler17

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    How would you protect yourself from a gun weilding assailant if you didn't have a gun?
     
  22. Whaler17

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    No it is a punishment, without a doubt. The social cost of a law abiding citizen owning a gun and using it responsibly is nil.
     
  23. Reiver

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    You're just ignoring the evidence, where private and social costs certainly are distinct. Stamp your feet as much as you want, it won't impact on the rational result
     
  24. Whaler17

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    You are touting non existent "evidence", and it is actually you stamping your feet. I am just sitting back and chuckling at your posts.
     
  25. NaturalBorn

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    It is amazing how clever liberals are spinning concepts around to obfuscate the truth
     

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