Zimmerman friend--'In my heart I believe he targeted Martin for his race'

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  1. BroncoBilly

    BroncoBilly Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It is exactly the reason on a forum like this, conservatives need to remain anonymous, hate filled liberals would attack you and your family if they knew anything about you. There is no question who the enemies are of peaceful citizens that have a differing opinion
     
  2. PatrickT

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    You have no better luck with sarcasm than you do with humor. I would suspect you are actually correct. His fantasy was, in my opinion, to be noticed as a crime stopper.
     
  3. TexMexChef

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    You give liberals way too much credit for giving a crap about george... most liberals see his sad-sack life as punishment.

    Anyone that believes liberals are out for pay-back... are just projecting.
     
  4. PatrickT

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    For once, I agree with Peppermint. It's why liberals whining that Bill Clinton was never convicted of anything is meaningless. It's why pointing to successful convictions for voter fraud from a system designed to encourage voter fraud is meaningless.

    As far as Zimmerman goes, the criminal justice system in the U.S. is required to assume innocence unless proven guilty. As we saw, and are seeing, with the lynch mob, they work on the opposite principle in that they presume you're guilty and hang you immediately. When you're presumed innocent, evidence is required to convict of a crime.

    When a defense of self-defense is presented, evidence must be presented by the defense that proves beyond a reasonable doubt that the person was justified in using deadly force to defend himself or another from immediate harm.

    So, by accepting the self-defense claim, the jury was agreeing the evidence that self-defense was justified was there.
     
  5. BroncoBilly

    BroncoBilly Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Naw, liberals aren't hateful, even though the courts found Zimmerman not guilty

    George Zimmerman flees Miami after being accosted on beach and $10,000 bounty put on his head

    Ambushed on beach with wife and son by angry protesters
    Next day fled home moments after interview saying he feels he suffered a miscarriage of justice and still receives regular death threats
    In an interview Monday, Zimmerman told CNN's Chris Cuomo he suffered a 'miscarriage of justice' in his trial for the killing of Florida teen Trayvon Martin
    He said the President and Attorney General were making him a 'scapegoat' but he didn't know 'what agenda they have'
    Zimmerman maintains that he acted in self-defense within the law when he shot Martin
    He said he still receives death threats seven months after he was acquitted in the murder trial
     
  6. TexMexChef

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    Its like you want to re-argue the whole case... what is that line about pigs loving the mud?
     
  7. Dale Cooper

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    You're correct. Zimmerman was not found guilty so that makes him automatically innocent (in the eyes of the law). He remains innocent of the crime he was so ridiculously accused of. That doesn't mean his actions didn't cause the death of someone.
     
  8. BroncoBilly

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    Not at all, I addressed your absurd comment about liberals and the hate they spew. I have no idea where you think I want to re-argue anything, I was just pointing out the facts, which support the hateful comments from liberals on this forum. They do the same thing to Palin
     
  9. Gatewood

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    I agree. There is absolutely no doubt that they would make life a living hell for any opposition poster unwise enough to use their real first and last names for posting. As for any Zimmerman supporter venturing an opinion in George's favor or in (assuming the Grand Jury returns a 'no charges' result) Officer Wilson's favor anonymity is a sane safety precaution.
     
  10. Dale Cooper

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    You must have missed the trial (yet feel obligated to make comments). There were several neighbor witnesses who gave glowing endorsements of George.
     
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    Some of you want angst over a thug down incident, try taking on Chicago stories...
     
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    Whut?! Why would someone call a stranger and make racist comments? That doesn't make sense.... and now this guy thinks it was his 'friend' Zimmerman? Why didn't he recognize his friend's voice? Why would GZ try to disguise his voice to a friend? To top it off, it took 2 yrs for him to decide it was GZ? If you got a bizarre call where the caller was making racist calls, wouldn't you try to track down the #? None of this makes SENSE......

    Haven't read about his sons death yet - will later, but what would that have to do w/GZ & TM? He had to lose his sons in order to empathize w/parents who had lost a child? If that's true, something's wrong w/this guy.

    What about the fact that Martin's own gf testified in court that Martin told her he was 'close to home' but obviously didn't go home?

    Have you given any of this any serious tho't? Actually, you don't even have to give it much 'serious' tho't.... questions just immediately pop up that screams for a common sense answer.......

    Also 'in my heart of hearts' means absolutely nothing and btw, Z was found not guilty, in case you missed that tidbit......
     
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    Give me a fcking break.
    He's NOT GUILTY.
    Your lynch mob side of the aisle LOST THE ARGUMENT.
    This is REALLY pathetic, even for libs like you.
     
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    Produce a legal and binding document concerning the case, that determines that GZ was innocent. I gave the explanation for why it was determined that he was found "not guilty" as opposed to "innocent".

    A person is presumed innocent before the facts are presented, but after the facts are presented that can change to not guilty...which it did in this instance.
     
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    PeppermintTwist Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Making up your own legal definitions? Is that some type of hobby?

    Constitutionally, a defendant is given the presumption of innocence and the burden of proof is on the prosecution to prove that the defendant did what he or she is accused of, with the quantum of proof being beyond a reasonable doubt. Thus, what is at issue is not necessarily whether the defendant did what he or she has been accused of. The issue that criminal defense is more concerned with is whether the prosecution can prove the defendant did what he or she is accused of. If the prosecution cannot prove it, then the defendant is not guilty.

    http://www.boothlegal.com/innocent-...ing_wp_cron=1416149858.6797409057617187500000
     
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    Oh back on this myth again . He was already innocent , unless you hate American court systems and it's innocent till proven guilty stance .
     
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    Sorry but you have no clue how a trial works. Please show us where the jury had the choice to say innocent or not guilty and chose not guilty... please show us where they asked the jury to make that distinction. Please also show me when zimmerman stopped being innocent .
     
  18. Dale Cooper

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    You lost. Multiple times. Deal with it.

    /ignore
     
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    It is so cute that you Cons believe that you are that important to anything that you actually believe this. Can you find a hat big enough to fit that big head?
     
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    "Nurse! Call security!
    They've gotten loose again!"
     
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    So any black teenager walking home from the store is considered "suspicious" just because he is black.
     
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    Talk about fantasy land. I tell you its some punk ass men on this forum, I have never seen so many men whine about being beaten to death by a 158lb 17yr old teenager.

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    Your right, because to most racist if they are mixed with anything then they are not considered as white.

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    Wow and you say that with a straight face.
     
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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coffin_v._United_States

    SCOTUS decisions are both legal and binding documents in the United States.

    Everyone is "determined to be innocent" until convicted of a crime, so in Zimmerman's case, the lack of conviction determines his preexisting innocent state.
     
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    The courts also found JW Milam and Roy Bryant not guilty, so what.

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    The same could be said of OJ Simpson, but conservatives love to label him as a murderer.
     
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    Sorry but this is now a new technique used and inspired by
    lefties for jury nullification.There is a case pending in Cincinnatti
    where a juror said a week after the verdict was read that she
    changed her mind.That she didn't mean to decide her verdict the
    way she did.Then within days 2 more jurors went to a lawyer to
    plead the same thing.That they didn't mean to decide the case the
    way they did.
    This is why lawyers are probably The Biggest Lobby { of Professionals }
    besides Liberal college professors who support the democrat party.
    So they can pull this sort of crap.The way they racketeered the crafting
    of Obamacare.Thru hook & crook.By sneaky backdoor authorship and
    outright fraud.
     

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