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    Quote Originally Posted by Big George View Post
    And your point?

    You're talking about two different things. Apparently you don't know that authoritarianism and fascism aren't the same thing.
    Fascism is a form of authoritarianism.

    Fascism has a huge emphasis on national identity, and "uniting the people" under said identity. Unfortunately, people who dont fit that identity (immigrants, racial/ economic/ and political minorities) are typically oppressed, or in some cases killed as soon as possible (think Nazi germany for the most obvious example).

    The huge focus on nationalism has always made me see fascists as right wing, but they share some in common with the authoritarian left.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Libhater View Post
    For people here to somehow link Conservatism or Republicanism to fascism is just plain silly. Cons and Repubs are for a smaller more limited government in nearly all aspects of our society...
    A strong military and dominant foreign policy can be reasonably argued as fascist, two positions normally linked to conservatism. Like I said, though, fascism has both liberal and conservative elements and it's absurd to apply it to current American politics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big George View Post
    And your point?

    You're talking about two different things. Apparently you don't know that authoritarianism and fascism aren't the same thing.
    Facism is a form of authoritarianism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AtsamattaU View Post

    A strong military and dominant foreign policy can be reasonably argued as fascist, two positions normally linked to conservatism. Like I said, though, fascism has both liberal and conservative elements and it's absurd to apply it to current American politics.
    The problem with your assessment of our military and foreign policy is that as Conservatives we only use those entities to protect our nation against foreign threats as spelled out in the Constitution, whereas, the liberal fascists use our government as the power to be in controlling all of our freedoms. Conservatives do not usurp the power of our own military in order to control and eliminate any of our personal freedoms they way a liberal fascist uses the government as a power base by taking our freedoms away from us. For examples of our government taking away our freedoms via liberal fascism, may I direct you to any and all of obama's policies including obamacare.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Libhater View Post
    The problem with your assessment of our military and foreign policy is that as Conservatives we only use those entities to protect our nation against foreign threats as spelled out in the Constitution, whereas, the liberal fascists use our government as the power to be in controlling all of our freedoms. Conservatives do not usurp the power of our own military in order to control and eliminate any of our personal freedoms they way a liberal fascist uses the government as a power base by taking our freedoms away from us. For examples of our government taking away our freedoms via liberal fascism, may I direct you to any and all of obama's policies including obamacare.
    Who did Patriot Act? Who promoted SOPA? Who is asking to ban the abort? Please don't laugh of us.

    Please, if conservative are the ones that more freedom want to remove. However Democrats also are fascists in many ways. But say that Republicans and conservative are not fascist is a lie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Libhater View Post
    ...as Conservatives we only use those entities to protect our nation against foreign threats as spelled out in the Constitution...
    Or so we're told. And good for you for buying into that. But do you really think Fascists built up their militaries under the premise that it was to control the people? Also, consider the quote:
    If fascism comes, it will not be identified with any "shirt" movement, nor with an "insignia," but it will probably be "wrapped up in the American flag and heralded as a plea for liberty and preservation of the constitution."
    I don't think conservatives are fascist; but neither are liberals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big George View Post
    Fascism is NOT right-wing. Right-wingers, who typically want less government interference, cannot also be true fascists. Sheesh...
    Wanting less government isn't a measure of whether or not your right or left wing. Libertarian socialists don't want any government... are they right wing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big George View Post
    The term Fascist is DEFINITELY something that ignorant people throw around, in order to gain some sort of foothold in an argument.

    Most people have no idea what it is, nor do they understand that EVERY nation is - on some level - fascist. The problem lies in degrees.
    Yes a matter of degree of crisis for the Capitialist class and the form of Nationalism that is implimented,they much prefer democratic methods but as the Working Class dosen't like Poverty,War and government in their lives the numerically miniscle capitialist class turns to more extreme direct control ,the None government in ITALY and the imposition of economists of the IMF is Preparation with the suspending of democratic nationalist forms for the reinvention of the Fascist form of Rule .

    wether successfull or not will depend on the Revolutionary responses of the Working Class and its communist leadership.

    W#e Communists are the true Anti-Fascists we don't argue with them we kill them if given an opurtunity.Just like we did in the second world war ,the US and britian stalled as the RED ARMY slaughtered the Fascist beast.

    The social base of Fascism is the middle class being broken up on one side by the Capitialist class and the Working Class on the other ,frezied middle class social dross that becomes anti-democratic ,Anti-Worker and extremely radical.

    depressions tend to squeeze the Middle class out of existance .
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    Quote Originally Posted by ronmatt View Post
    I notice on these threads how many times I see the word 'fascism' used by our liberal brothers and sisters. They seem to enjoy using the word, so incorrectly, when referring to republicans and conservatives. I assume, that by it's misuse, it isn't very well understood. Possibly it's a word that's on their 'list of slur words', to be flung about when all else fails.
    When the government controls health care, the biggest auto companies in the country, education, energy production, religion and the housing market; either directly or through an agency such as the EPA that uses edict, regulation and mandates as a control mechanism. When the government is in collusion with labor unions...that, my liberal friends, is fascism.
    The left calls the right fascist because it sees the right as perpetrators of classic fascist philosophies. Yet, it's the left that strives for increased government control of almost every facet of society. How we educate, what we eat, what we earn, what our businesses can and can't do. The right prefers that we educate on a local level, Eat what we want, pay for our own health care, use our own resources, worship however we see fit, allow failed companies to fail and successful companies to continue being successful, end the undo control of the EPA and like government agencies, keep what we earn and quit supporting a 'super sized government'.
    So liberals, before you start with your inevitable epitaphs, give some thought as to who the fascists really are.

    Republicans in Congress and the White House have been expanding the powers of the federal government since 1861. What time period do you live in? Republicans have not been for smaller government for a long time now and they expand the role of government just as much as democrats (No Child Left Behind, Homeland Security, Patriot Act). Republicans are not about letting businesses fail. Otherwise they never would have bailed out the auto industries or the banks a few years ago. Where were you in 2008?

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    Quote Originally Posted by philxx View Post
    Yes a matter of degree of crisis for the Capitialist class and the form of Nationalism that is implimented,they much prefer democratic methods but as the Working Class dosen't like Poverty,War and government in their lives the numerically miniscle capitialist class turns to more extreme direct control ,the None government in ITALY and the imposition of economists of the IMF is Preparation with the suspending of democratic nationalist forms for the reinvention of the Fascist form of Rule .

    wether successfull or not will depend on the Revolutionary responses of the Working Class and its communist leadership.

    W#e Communists are the true Anti-Fascists we don't argue with them we kill them if given an opurtunity.Just like we did in the second world war ,the US and britian stalled as the RED ARMY slaughtered the Fascist beast.
    Please, the USSR was just as authoritarian, and just as good at getting rid of the undesirables as the NAZIS were. True socialism can only exist in the absence of the state. Otherwise your just trading one master for another.
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