Genius bonobo chimp creates stone tools like early hominids

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  1. rstones199

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    Genius bonobo chimp creates stone tools like early hominids

    A chimpanzee is one of the 4 members of the Great Ape Family. The other 3 are Gorillas, Orangutangs and Humans.

    I find this article interesting because it shows the chimpanzee is not that different from us. At least one of its kind can use tools made from rocks and employ cognitive problem solving skills, just as early humans did.

    To me, this is just further proof (like we need more) of Evolution. One specie evolving into one or more. All for members of The Great Ape Family can trace our origins back to one common ancestor. No silly god needed. No magic man in the sky. No bogie man in the closet. Just one simple truth: Evolution.
     
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    That is interesting.
    I remember that one chimpanzee that could use sign language..Was his name Koko? I don't remember. I could look it up but...ehhh

    I think he just recently died...

    Evolutions is tough to challenge.
    Fish can cross dry land now..flightless birds....
     
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    but, if I believe in an invisible man in the sky and in creation, what do I do now?
     
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    A better question might be, why bother posting anything? 140-something posts in two days, every one a waste of bandwith. Which sock puppet did you say you were?
     
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    nice, but they're still hundreds of thousands of years behind us. why?
     
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    A question better asked in say, Detroit, or Memphis.
     
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    I didnt know Evolution worked at the same rate on all species.
     
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    That is interesting.
    I remember that one chimpanzee that could use sign language..Was his name Koko? I don't remember. I could look it up but...ehhh

    I think he just recently died...

    Evolution is tough to challenge.
    Fish can cross dry land now..flightless birds....
     
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    we are as closely related to chimps as spiders are to each other. some build webs, some traps, and some hunt, but they all finish off their food.

    something advanced humans, or retarded the other primates.
     
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    Koko was a gorilla.
     
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    Could you repeat this in English please?
     
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    Thanks.
    I SHOULD have looked it up.
     
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    they discovered fire in Detroit many moons ago. :flame:
     
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    George Costanza wasn't, but Mr Kruger tried to kill himself not long ago.
     
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    Yes, it seems they have recently experienced a boomerang effect in the evolutionary scale.
     
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    no sprechen sie leftyloser.
     
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    Ahhh you're a troll. My apologies for taking you seriously.
     
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    1967 I believe it was.
    Then they discovered it in Watts in '65 but must have misplaced the technology..they rediscovered it in '68.

    Rediscovered in L.A. again in '92.
    I guess the secret is out now..It'll be everywhere soon.
     
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    that's Mr. Troll to you amateurs.
     
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    Did you know that some people like to use references to things like fires in Detroit and Watts when discussing issues like apes as a way to be able to call blacks apes, but in a way that they can deny that it was some racist slur if anyone points it out?

    Of course that hasn't happened here, and I am not referring to anyone participating in this thread. I just happened to be mentioning these things.....
     
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    Very nice post- thanks for sharing.

    One small quibble- I think Bonobo are considered a distinct species- very closely related to Chimpanzee's but completely distinctive from them. We have known that Chimps and Bonobo's make tools for quite awhile- and they can teach their offspring to make and use tools- termite sticks are what come to mind off the top of my head.

    Thanks for sharing.
     
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    What?
    NO!

    Are you saying apes started all those fires in detroit and watts/L.A.? How did they get loose?

    Something needs to be done.
     
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    Ahhhh I get it.

    Thats ashame that there is still racist crap like that going around. All humans gentically match 99.3%. Why the need for bigotry?
     
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    Interesting. Well hopefully we won't have some astronauts traveling through space only to come back to a Planet of the Apes any time soon. lol!
     
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    Interesting. I read that scientists from the Wayne State University, School of Medicine, Detroit, US, examined key genes in humans and several ape species and found our "life code" to be 99.4% the same as chimps...and others say 96%...

    Doesn't mean we're apes, though.

    http://anthro.palomar.edu/primate/prim_8.htm

    Research on learning the entire genome of common chimpanzees was completed in 2005. A comparison between this and the human genome (completed in 2001) shows that 96% of DNA base pair sequences of humans and chimpanzees are the same. Most of the 4% difference is in duplicated non-gene segments. However, the genes that differ mostly control speech, smelling, hearing, digesting proteins, and susceptibility to certain diseases. These dissimilarities are to be expected given that we have been on essentially separate evolutionary tracks for 6-7 million years. During that time, we have been subject to somewhat different natural selection pressures. These differences led to bipedalism for our ancestors along with a much larger brain and, ultimately, speech.

    The modern human brain is 3 times larger in volume than those of the great apes. More importantly, the human brain to body size ratio is significantly larger, and it has a much bigger cerebral cortex with a higher concentration of neurons. Evolving a larger brain comes at a steep energy cost. The human brain uses about 25% of the energy derived from the nutrients that we consume and 20% of the oxygen. Recent research has suggested that our intelligence advantage may be due to evolutionary changes in the HAR1F regulator gene beginning about 6 million years ago in our pre-human ancestors but not in those of chimpanzees or other apes. This gene is involved in the production of brain tissue between the 7th and 19th week after conception. It is not surprising that there are some striking differences between the great apes and humans in mental abilities. People have much more complex forms of verbal communication than any other primate species. We are the only animal to create and use symbols as a means of communication. We also have more varied and complex social organizations. The most distinctive feature of humans is our mental ability to create new ideas and complex technologies. This has proven invaluable in the competition for survival. However, the great apes are also surprisingly intelligent, having mental levels equivalent to a 3-4 year old human child. This is sufficient to allow them to learn and use the sign language of deaf humans in at least a rudimentary way, but they do not have the capability of producing human speech and language. This is likely due to the fact that they have a different form of another key regulator gene known as FOXP2.


    Fascinating stuff, there.

    I read that chimps are more aggressive, male dominated and will make war with each other and even kill other chimps. Bonobos, on the other hand are peaceful female dominated and very cooperative with each other.
    I also read that, sadly, bonobos are killed for meat in the congo.

    Good topic. Interesting and informative.
     

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