abortions/nazi germany

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  1. iamkurtz

    iamkurtz Banned

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    Here are the Nuremberg Race Laws of 1935 and Roe v Wade. Now can anyone tell me the difference?


    https://tinyurl.com/q2tfsdh


    The introduction of the Nuremberg Race Laws in 1935 saw Jews declared non-persons, stripped of their rights, robbed of their property and isolated.

    http://www.lifenews.com/2011/10/06/t...ng-roe-v-wade/

    Defining the Unborn Child as a “Person”

    In Roe v. Wade, the Supreme Court held that the unborn child is not a “person,” as that word is used in § 1 of the Fourteenth Amendment and, therefore, is not entitled to the due process and equal protection guarantees the Amendment confers upon “persons.”
     
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    Fugazi New Member Past Donor

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    Guilt by association fallacy.

    or if you prefer the Hitler Card
     
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    Hitler said Jews are not persons. Abortionists do the same to the unborn. Both did so in order to justify slaughter.
     
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    Cady Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Dogs are not persons, either.
     
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    So you equate Jews and the unborn with dogs. Thanks for making my point.
     
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    Fugazi New Member Past Donor

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    Then one can also assume that all pro-lifers are Nazi's as they wish to remove the rights from pregnant women and consign them to be the property of the state for a protracted period of time, add to that-that the USA also implemented the Immigration Act 1924 so one can also assume (guilt by association) that Americans are racist, just like Nazi's were.

    The funniest thing of all when this fallacy of comparing the holocaust with abortion is used is that it wilfully ignores the fact that the Nazi party were never pro-choice, if you were German and pregnant you could not have an abortion you were forced to remain pregnant by law (just like pro-lifers want now) and if you were not German you were forced to have an abortion.

    Personally the qualities that the pro-lifers have is far closer to the Nazi's regime of controlling people than what pro-choice people advocate, that being that each person has a choice.

    http://www.fallacyfiles.org/adnazium.html

    So yep, the Hitler Card is nothing more than a guilt by association fallacy .. add to this the strawmen you keep creating and your creditability becomes non-existent.
     
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    The pro-lifers are using the legal system to try and save life. The same legal system the pro-abortionists used in order to take life. Nazis would simply take your rights. And since both of the laws I linked are about taking life by making life 'non-persons', the pro-abortionists and Nazis obviously twins.
     
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    Cady Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No, but you are a very accomplished strawman builder. Just because Jews are obviously persons does not mean a fetus is.
     
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    iamkurtz Banned

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    What do you mean 'no'? Who brought up dogs?

    Both laws made life non persons. You just happen to agree with one of them and not the other.
     
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    Cady Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Being alive doesn't make something a person. Roe didn't make a fetus a "non person," because it was never established as a person before that.
     
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    The pro-lifers are trying to introduce new laws that render a pregnant woman's right to body autonomy moot, a right that all others have and as such are doing exactly the same as the Nazi's did to the Jews .. you are making them less than others, you are making them non-persons.

    It's quite funny how pro-lifers react when the same accusation is thrown back at them with the same level of proof that they fit it.

    There are no laws that support the pro-life agenda .. well apart from the TRAP laws they introduced.
     
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    Anti-Choicers are exactly the same as Nazis, they wish to make women, actual living people, into nothing but brood sows. They treat women as animals and enjoy the agony of women giving birth.
     
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    It all he has Cady and as such can be treated as an irrelevance who needs only to be mocked.
     
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    Tsk, tsk, all those Christian women acting just like NAZIS by having abortions....
     
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    LOL three strawman fallacies in one topic .. got to be a record.

    Best and funniest thing is that you can't even see the glaring elephant in the room concerning your so called comparison ... its hilarious.

    - - - Updated - - -

    It's hilarious that this poster relies on strawmen and can't even see the bloody big elephant in the room concerning his so called comparison.
     
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    Pretty sure they were putting actual people into the ovens, not fetuses. Your argument failed right there. Please do your homework before attempting this argument. I would suggest starting with an anatomy book that shows you the difference between a born person and a fetus that lives inside another person. Otherwise, this is just embarrassingly amateur.
     
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    Another poster who makes my point. A fetus is life just as a single cell organism is. Do your own homework first next time. And learn that the verbiage used by the court was 'non persons' in order to avoid saying life, which a fetus is. They opted for the antiseptic term 'viability'. Pontius Pilate anyone?
     
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    Hey buddy, there is life everywhere. You destroy thousands to millions of individual lives everyday. All of that life, from bacteria on up to roadkill and the livestock we eat, have all been determined to be unworthy of protection. This is the norm for human beings. We are on top and because of that, we get to decide. But don't pretend that makes us noble because people like you determine that a fetus is deserving of protection when you've decided that 99.99% of the rest of the life on this planet is not. It's just arbitrary, you drawing the line where you think it should be based on nothing more than your own subjective opinions. You're no different than a pro-choicer. Not at all my friend.
     
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    The Nazis said the state should control women's reproduction, and you agree.
     
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    It's been pointed out, not quite so plainly as you have done .. but still he choices to ignore it .. its just funny.
     
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    The Nazis forced some women to give birth--like you want to do. They forced other women to abort. Women had NO CHOICE, and that is exactly YOUR position.
     
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    The Nazis used their own laws to justify their actions. Pro lifers defer to the Constitutional process. Your pals declared Jews non persons. So do abortionists.
     
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    The Nazis forced some women to give birth--like you want to do. They forced other women to abort. Women had NO CHOICE, and that is exactly YOUR position.
     
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    Which is exactly what pro-lifers are doing by the introduction of TRAP laws, and I'm still waiting for you to produce a law introduced by pro-choicers that declares a fetus a non-person.

    Pure and utter BS, there have been numerous constitutional challenges to the Roe decision all have failed, since then pro-lifers have gone out of their way to introduce laws (TRAP laws) to undermine the constitutional right for a woman to have an abortion found under the privacy item of the 14th amendment.

    It is the pro-lifers who are fighting against the Constitution.

    Gosh it must be so hard for you to accept that pretty much all of your ancestors were also 'pals' of the Nazi's then, just as you are 'pals' with their controlling mandate over women.
     
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    They aren't doing this.......................

    https://tinyurl.com/q2tfsdh


    The introduction of the Nuremberg Race Laws in 1935 saw Jews declared non-persons, stripped of their rights, robbed of their property and isolated.

    http://www.lifenews.com/2011/10/06/t...ng-roe-v-wade/

    Defining the Unborn Child as a “Person”

    In Roe v. Wade, the Supreme Court held that the unborn child is not a “person,” as that word is used in § 1 of the Fourteenth Amendment and, therefore, is not entitled to the due process and equal protection guarantees the Amendment confers upon “persons.”

    - - - Updated - - -


    https://tinyurl.com/q2tfsdh


    The introduction of the Nuremberg Race Laws in 1935 saw Jews declared non-persons, stripped of their rights, robbed of their property and isolated.

    http://www.lifenews.com/2011/10/06/t...ng-roe-v-wade/

    Defining the Unborn Child as a “Person”

    In Roe v. Wade, the Supreme Court held that the unborn child is not a “person,” as that word is used in § 1 of the Fourteenth Amendment and, therefore, is not entitled to the due process and equal protection guarantees the Amendment confers upon “persons.”
     

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