The Trump fad is over

Anyone who watched the marathon debate on CNN last night knows that it wasn't Donald Trump's night.

CNN moderators repeatedly gave candidates chances to jab The Donald, and most of them did, to one degree or another.

Trump did not have a sympathetic audience either. His usual sophmoric bluster was met with dead silence.

And in the end, it was Carly Fiorina and Jeb Bush who buried the blowhard from Queens.

Judging by the dead silence from the far right wingers here, who have spent most of the summer singing Trump's praises, I'm not the only person who saw Trump crash and burn.

What will happen next?

We'll still have a few weeks, or even months of Trump going around putting on his act. He can still do a lot of damage, and if the corporate media gives him another couple of weeks, he'll drag the rest of the GOP off the far rigth wing cliff (which is where he will definately go) And then he'll go out in a wave of self righteous, self promoting glory.

As for the rest, it's clear that there is no solid front runner now. But they'll all look like seasoned professionals compared to Trump.

 

Finally no Trump Media Party it was ... and suddenly the façade break down and the true troll was left over!

 

Probably wishful thinking on your part.

 

Not quite dead silence. He was booed when he denigrated Paul's appearance.

He was caught in a lie. He did try (through lobbyists) to get casinos in Florida after donating 50K to the Florida Republican Party. So his repeated claim that he doesn't engage in that type of thing won't hold water any more.

 

yea.... the left is just hoping Trump is a fad. Everytime my resolve with Trump begins to waiver, I watch a liberal try to margainalize Trump... and I think.... "why aren't they trying to margainlize Carson, or Bush"

the answer.... they don't see many of the others as threats to their power. Trump is a threat.


I'm still on board with the Carson train at this point..... but Trump isn't going away.

 

Not sure the "fad is over" at all.

In some areas he looked good last night, in others he did not...but he hardly crashed and burned as some hope he will. IMO Carly was the winner again...but Trump didnt do too badly.

 

They piled up on him pretty well, but watching the live polling going on during the debate he seemed to be doing pretty well.

The live audience wasn't friendly, but that might just gain him more sympathy from his devotees.

Personally I am losing interest, but I never found him appealing at all.

 

I've never been on the trump train. But I will give our progressive buddies a little red meat to chew on.
When you call a woman ugly in the national spotlight your not doing yourself any favors. chomp chomp

Fiorina handled that little episode quite well. Trump is really out of touch,,,,,,,with many things. just not as out of touch as the progs.

 

So a debate turns in to a jab contest? LOLOLOL, oh we are so screwed. But it aint Trumps fault.

 

I missed a good portion of the debate. Yes Carly trumped the trump with one short sentence. He knew it too.

 

Mostly agree with you, for I've been forecasting since early August that Trump would flame-out by the end of this year.

While many of we Conservatives sympathize with a great deal that Trump says, when the music's over all there is to it is a cathartic release of frustration and anger -- no SOLUTIONS. To see how stark the absence of actual ideas are in his rhetoric, you need to read a transcript of what he speaks. Frankly, it's embarrassing. His strange, undeveloped utterances are so scattered and so shallow -- a mile wide and an inch deep.

And the few things he does go into some depth about, like building a "wall" on the border with Mexico, are absolutely preposterous! Anybody who is remotely familiar with the geography, topography, and climate of an enormous section of that border between Del Rio, Texas and El Paso, Texas knows that a "wall", per se, is too stupid to mention unless you've been smoking Space Dawg for about three days, followed by another three days of getting roaring drunk....

Am I some kind of hyperlib "useful idiot" who thinks that Comrade Obama hung the moon and the stars? Far from it... I'm probably hated by more liberals in this forum than anyone else, because I'm a rock-solid fiscal Conservative who despises Obamanite socialism more than anything else. But that antipathy doesn't make me think that the Trumpster is any more qualified, substantive, or intellectually-equipped than Obama to be a President of the United States.

 

Yeah, those sarcastic, juvenile insults to get attention are SO HORRIBLE compared to say....LYING about people dying and not taking responsibility, trying to remove yourself from any involvement when you had complete control, NOT caring how they died or putting the security of the country at risk because you're TOO STUPID to understand your own house is not a secure place for housing govt. secrets. OR, claiming you got shot at by snipers, spitting in the face of marines who would NEVER put you in such a situation, or supporting claiming a country has WMDs and is very dangerous, then condemning someone else who said the same thing using the same intelligence years AFTER you said it. Maybe claiming you were bankrupt after leaving the white-house where you literally had ZERO EXPENSES for 8 YEARS and were still getting paid!!!!!

Yeah, being sarcastic and making fun is completely on the same level as THAT. /boggle

Perspective Liberals....just a little PERSPECTIVE. Care to wager on whats ACTUALLY important?

Heck, telling a senator bound to a wheel chair ,TO HIS FACE, in front of a room of people and national TV, to please stand up. That's not just a gaff, that's flat out UNINTELLIGENT.

By the way, all of Trumps rude comments are unnecessary, but I know why he does it. No worse than trying to blend in, putting on a fake southern accent when talking to people from the south....and not really joking either.

 

Interesting to watch the left rush to call this over for Trump or whomever else may make the news....

While they have a weak socialist, 2 liars, and O'Malley, who barely rate in the polls and are afraid to debate.

I guess the more you obsess on the opponents... the longer you can put off having to face what you're own party has left you with.

 

Only all the early polls on the debate show Trump smashing it. He's the lefts worst nightmare, they're in denial and know it.

 

It may as well be the CNN who is out of touch which brought in the audience that's 100% hostile to a leading poll candidate with over 30% support. Typical elitist arrogance who always know better than the voters, and they better vote such and such - or else!

 

I didnt see a lot of difference with the previous debate.

CNN clearly wanted to the debate to be about Trump and he handeled that quite well.

I didnt see any of the other candidates do better .

 

Trump lost me when he said Rosa Parks on the 10 dollar bill, I thought this guy had balls but he is just another apologist (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)

 

right now my decision on who I'm going to support and vote for is who will kill Clinton in a debate
do I want to see Clinton beat to a pulp with a sledge hammer like Trump will do or do I want to see Clinton cut up into tiny little peace with surgical precision like Fiorina would do
I'm leaning toward Fiorina because she has an ace in the whole she would also strip away the only weapon Clinton has left and that is the false narrative of "War on Women" which Clinton could use against Trump but would be worthless and absurd against Fiorina

 

Trump has no chance. NOT ONE.

The right is all frothing over these debates, and what really came out of that debate was that the party has moved even further to the right, and has no chance in the general election. It is standard in the primaries to move a little further from center, and then in the general election move back to the center to get elected. The party has moved so far to the right that there is no way they can backtrack to the center for the general.

All they talked about was the debt/deficits, and then in the very next sentence talk about how they were going to cut taxes, and then the next sentence was to go to war in the middle east. No mention of how those three things cannot happen together as they all cancel each other out. And the "we need to go to war with ISIS/Syria/Russia/Iran ("pick an evil")" was laughable. Hell, Carly wants to go to war with Russia for crissakes. But don't worry, Donald and Putin will "get along". The arrogance of that panel was astounding. They were playing to the base, as expected, but they are so far to the right that they just can't come back to the center with any credibility.

And Jeb Bush hurt Trump pretty bad last night. Trump did try to get gambling in Florida. He may not have personally talked to Jeb about it, but he did it thru surrogates and he cannot deny that. And he tried to buy it thru a donation, thats not even up for debate. So he may talk a good game about "i'm funding my own campaign" to try to play to the purist crowd, but in the end he showed that thru his actions he knows how the game works.

Carly is a joke. She has no shot at winning. NONE. She sounds tough, and knowledgeable, but in the end her tenure at HP showed who she is, and that she is in it for herself. She was coached and although a good speaker, she is NOT a good leader. Remember, she was FORCED out at HP because she was a bad leader.

That stage was filled with an entire bag of NUTS last night, with the exception of the only 2 persons on the panel who have a shot in the general election. Marco Rubio actually mentioned diplomacy before he starts nuking Syria, which made him at lease somewhat sane.And John Kasich was the only electable person on that stage last night. He is the only real politician on the stage, and he can at least play in the more centrist general election.

 

That must be "the left" that ever festers in some noggins.

Most Democrats take boundless delight in The Great Flatu's antics, whilst the GOP would dearly love their nuisance reality tv celebrity to lose interest in his caprice.

The dismal performance of the Party's actual, elected Washington politicians (12% approval; 81% disapproval) has created an allure for virgins such as Benny, Carly, and Donny, but the latter already being an entertainment celebrity gave him a huge advantage. The devotees of ideological media had turned away from their political leaders and embraced their show business personalities long ago.

The Great Flatu was ideally suited to receive their devotion.

Let's hope he keeps up his shtick for a while longer. The GOP presidential follies would be far grimmer without its zany pantaloon.


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Trump is still the frontrunner - this is clear. His big challenge will be maintaining support when the field thins. Jeb Bush supporters aren't going to go to Trump - they'll go to Carson or Fiorina. Vice versa. Trump really needs to capture some of these supporters as their candidates drop out of the race.

At the end of the day it's going to be Trump vs someone else. That'll strain his poll numbers. He really is the sort of candidate who isn't going to naturally persuade the supporters of others. You don't 'become' a Trump supporter, you're born one!

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All of that said, people have written Trump off this whole race and he has consistently held up to the hype. Who knows what'll happen. GOPers are frankly sick of establishment candidates, it's why Jeb is struggling, it's why Paul and Trump are doing well.

There's a chance here to fundamentally change the direction of the Republican Party. As much as he's a goofy TV personality, Trump's vision isn't all that bad when it comes down to the issues. Immigration prohibition will always be in their platform. Reagan deification will always be in their platform. He would move the party towards autarchy and openness to business. His support for eliminating tax breaks for companies which avoid tax is surprising, but a positive move. He was also opposed to the Iraq War, albeit on disagreeable grounds. He would really benefit from a completely different VP - Paul would be a positive moderating influence and would not at all be a backseat VP.

Of course, I feel that a move towards social liberty and economic laissez-faire is the right direction. Trump at least gets some of this right. Paul would be better, but there's not really any "progressive" force in the GOP field.

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I really wish they had jumped on Gary Johnson when they had the chance - that would be a substantive change of direction for the party.

We've just had a change of leadership for the best in our conservative party: towards Malcolm Turnbull, who is socially liberal and economically pro-free market. The GOP needs to move in a similar direction - it's time to abandon social conservatism in favor of a sort of "progressive classical liberalism".

 

I don't know. If anything his own ego will get in his way.
Id like to know what's/whos driving his crazy taxi.

 

Yep... Trump appeared like a petty blowhard.. and the faces he made???

You're right about Fiorino and Jeb.

 

Oh you know Trump is in charge of his campaign, rhetoric and attitude. He really looked smaller than usual.

 

What early polls?