Question for Obama Supporters

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Smartmouthwoman, Aug 23, 2012.

  1. TheTaoOfBill

    TheTaoOfBill Well-Known Member

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    Wrong. It's because speculators have been preparing for a hurricane to hit the gulf coast. You know? Where all the oil is?

    http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/business/2012/08/isaac-causes-national-gas-price-bump/

    Once again you spit out numbers with no understanding of what they mean. When people say uninformed should not be allowed to vote... they're talking about you.
     
  2. Lowden Clear

    Lowden Clear Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Gas, food. Do you live in a box? Prices are going through the roof in case you haven't noticed. Why can't they just print enough for everyone to get by. Or better yet, confiscate all money from everyone and deal it out equally. This is insane. When you print money you devalue what is already in the pockets of those who earned it. Ever since we left the gold standard we've been chasing our tail.

    Never once in my education from you have you mentioned accountability. In fact you flee from it. Nothing you've said suggests finding a balance between spending and the ability to pay for it. Nothing at all suggests how interesting the 16T monster is still lurking over your shoulder. You act as if these things are not real.
     
  3. Smartmouthwoman

    Smartmouthwoman Bless your heart Past Donor

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    Stop with the personal attacks, Billy. My vote is just as important as yours... suck it up like a man.

    Interesting graph...

    source

    Americans are suffering under these outrageous gas prices. If it's NOT OBAMA'S FAULT, guess we can look for 4 more years of rising prices until it finally hits his (and his energy secty Chu's) goal of $5/gallon. By then, many poor Americans will have been forced to give up their cars and use public transportation to get around. There goes another little chunk of personal freedom. :(
     
  4. TheTaoOfBill

    TheTaoOfBill Well-Known Member

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    I'm not trying to attack you. It's really not my intent. My intent is to point out that you're just blindly posting numbers. I mean is that what you want to be? Just a parrot? Or do you actually want to understand the numbers. I don't care if you vote for Obama or whoever. Obviously I prefer Obama. But it boils my blood that you find it acceptable to just not understand things.

    I mean I do have an arrogant personality. It's a flaw I'm aware of. So occasionally something comes out of my mouth or fingers that I thought I understood but did not. And sometimes I get shut down on this forum because of it. But you'll never see me repeat myself once I've been shut down. Because I learn. I grow. I mature. You stay the same. Constantly rattling off the same images and the same numbers you do not understand and don't bother to understand. That doesn't bug you at all? I just cannot understand that mindset.
     
  5. Lowden Clear

    Lowden Clear Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Smartie, prices are going crazy and and some don't even notice. Could it be selective observation, or denial, perhaps it is just being out of touch. We are hurting as a country. We all feel it. Not too many are advancing, many are holding their own, the poor are increasing in numbers. The only plan I see is the Obama administration has put jobs on the bottom of their list. Otherwise he would have led with the issue when he took the job. He's spent more time trying to convince an ailing country that it isn't his fault than he has trying to actually do something about it.

    He is anti business. He looks down his nose at business people. He hasn't met with his Jobs Council in how long? He has piled more regulation on business than anyone ever has. And then he turns around to try to rob them of their gain. There is no excuse for this misguided leader. His inspiring beginning has turned into stagnation, regret and disappointment. Prices continue to go higher as inflation takes hold, as quantitative easing eases the value right out of our dollar. Obama used to say about McCain, "Four more years of the same." I think that applies to Obama now.
     
  6. TheTaoOfBill

    TheTaoOfBill Well-Known Member

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    He did lead with jobs. His first 2 years were all about jobs. The stimulus was all about jobs. How many jobs bills have been brought up by house republicans since they took over? 0. Not one jobs bill. Where do their priorities lie?
     
  7. Smartmouthwoman

    Smartmouthwoman Bless your heart Past Donor

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    I have to think it's those who live in their parents basements who don't believe prices are thru the roof. It's the only excuse for not noticing a gallon of gas costs more than a gallon of milk. That's only important to people tying to feed a family on the same income they had when gas was $1.87/gal. Whoever does the grocery shopping doesn't need to be told about sky-rocketing prices... they know.

    Obama's taken the blame for NOTHING since taking office. It's like one of the 'bots said yesterday, "First it was Bush's fault and next it will be Romney's fault."

    It's really how they think.
     
  8. Smartmouthwoman

    Smartmouthwoman Bless your heart Past Donor

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    The giant tax called Obamacare is Barack's biggest job-killer. Nobody is going to hire with that massive albatross hanging around their necks... no matter how many jobs bills are introduced.
     
  9. expatriate

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    I think the reason that most Obama supporters continue to support him has to do with their basic political philosophies. The democratic party and the republican party have vastly different views on a host of major issues: foreign affairs, women's rights, environmental protection, global warming, energy policy, family planning, gay rights, gun control, social justice, tax policy, and on and on. It is not necessarily that any of us are THRILLED with the performance of Obama in his first term, but that doesn't change the fact that we are vehemently opposed to most- if not all - of the GOP's positions on that long list of issues. Obama shares the political philosophy of democrats, and if we reelect him, he may not be successful in moving all or most or even hardly any of those issues down a path that democrats would approve, but electing Romney will CERTAINLY stop any movement on those issues in the direction that democrats want to see them advance, and, instead, move those issues down the path that the GOP wants them to advance. It is nothing more or less than the standard clash of political philosophies that ought not to come as a surprise to anyone.
     
  10. TheTaoOfBill

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    Well,that's a new one-I write words to read & you can hear them(it's a MIRACLE folks)-
    You have seen the charts people have put up here-you can go do the research yourself if you don't agree with any of the reasons-it all comes back to the same conclusion-OBAMA has put forth plans to help all citizens-every single time the GOP's have filibustered & or held hostage the advance of the bills for political gain-..
    So,in my opinion,it is not OBAMA that is causing the strife,it is the GOP's in congress & the GOP'S in the Senate-(just another reason I support OBAMA)If you don't like the way Congress is acting-start harping on Mitch McConnell & John Boenher
    And,the latest rise in gas prices.....Perhaps if the people would have checked & maintained proper safety procedures at the refining plant in Cal-their plant would not have burst into flames & made it to dangerous to even get close to fix it......How is that OBAMA'S fault---that is what de-regulation gets you-laxed
    safety standards-ergo higher prices for all of us when something breaks down(thanks GOP)
     
  12. Smartmouthwoman

    Smartmouthwoman Bless your heart Past Donor

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    Bill, open your eyes, please. These are real people suffering... not examples from your textbook:

    A vote for Obama/Biden is a vote for more of the same. By the end of his second term, there will no doubt be double the number of Americans on welfare.

    Why do you support a president who does nothing to pull people out of poverty?
     
  13. Bluebird

    Bluebird Well-Known Member

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    I am going to start this off with a quote from Mitch McConnell (GOP) Sante minority leader " The GOP's # 1 priority,is to make OBAMA'S Presidency a 1 term Presidency" & there is a bumper sticker out there that says " The GOP-keeping millions out of work-to kick one person out of his job".
    So,for 31/2 years,the GOP has only "Allotted" (the House of Representatives hold the purse strings,I'm sure you know that)justtt enough money(stimulus)to eke by with,but nowhere near what the country needs or needed(to now bash OBAMA on why the country isn't in better shape(that is the GOP'S political strategy)whenever a POTUS has to use "Executive Priveledge" something in the Congress is not working-if OBAMA did not use that priveledge we would be suffering worse than we are.
    Another reason I support OBAMA is ,as we all know why, by now, the country crashed in 2007-to put the same people(GOP) back in control that caused all this suffering(anddd we all know by now,that it didn't "need" to happen) is inconcievable to me & by Romney choosing Paul Ryan(who voted everytime to put us all deeper in debt-he was there in Congress all during the Bush years)tells me that the GOP won't stop the 99% from suffering,in fact we would suffer more.
     
  14. Turin

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    first off.


    1.) I blame the republicans 100% for the economy.


    Firstly, Bush created this mess with 2 unfunded wars, an unfunded expansion of gov. ( homeland Sec/patriot act ), and an unfunded tax cut for the wealthy, and an unfunded expansino of Medicare.
    All of these can be laid at republicans feet. Like it or not. ( i know most dont like it and will deny the facts here )

    2.) I dont blame Obama as much as I do the obstructionist congress that has blocked / filibusterd more bills ( especially spending / economic bills ) than any congress in the history of this country. They have done this NOT because it was in the best interest of the American people, but as a form of temper tantrum for loosing the election to a black man. They really will put whats in the best interest for this country in the back seat in favor of doing ANYTHING they can to sabotage Obama's presidency.

    3.) I firmly believe this country would be even WORSE off under a republican president. ( Truth be told, I was thinking about voting for McCain last election, UNTIL the introduction of Sara Palin. At that point, I knew I had to do everything in my power to keep that stupid arse hate machine out of the white house )
     
  15. Bluebird

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    There are many mind boggling GOP opinions out there,but one that gets me the most is,the GOP supporters rag on OBAMA for the dismal economy,saying he should spend more to make it better-then out of the other side of their (GOP'S)mouths they say OBAMA is spending us into bankruptcy. The GOP absolutely refuses to accept that it was the GOP that handed us "all" this mess(and it didn't need to happen)& now they are willing to vote for a man, Romney,that has made it his life's work to evade as many of his tax's(which in part is what caused our callapse in 2007) as he can & put that money in off-shore accounts instead of keeping that money in the US economy & to boot he has chosen a VP (Ryan) that voted every single time on what you have mentioned above to put us DEEP in debt,without any policies to pay for it.
     
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    Provide the quote showing anyone in the GOP saying Obama should spend more.
    I think your lying.
     
  17. Smartmouthwoman

    Smartmouthwoman Bless your heart Past Donor

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    If you think the mean ole Republican 'obstructionists' were bad from 2011-2012, wait and see what happens if Obama is re-elected.

    You see, we elected a bunch of these folks in the 2010 midterms for the specific purpose of shutting down the Obama spending machine and that's exactly what they did.

    If you vote for 4 more years of Obama, you're voting for 4 more years of Americans suffering because of Obama's failed leadership and inability to compromise with Congress. He hasn't even met with his own party's leaders or his own jobs council in months now.

    But everything is still the Republicans fault.

    Yeah, right... nobody is buying that but you 'bots.
     
  18. Smartmouthwoman

    Smartmouthwoman Bless your heart Past Donor

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    LOL @ stupid arse hate machine. Sounds like you mighta picked up a few pointers on that topic somewhere down the line.

    Will you be voting for 4 more years of suffering for America's middle-class or giving a proven businessman the chance to make things better?
     
  19. TheTaoOfBill

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    lol so we shouldn't vote for Obama because republicans will continue to block him? That's a funny reason. Too bad I'd rather us do nothing at all than start cutting social programs left and right and drag us into a depression.
     
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    Yeah, I guess you're right, Obama is the most successful president ever. What was I thinking?
     
  21. TheTaoOfBill

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    You said it. Not me.
     
  22. Smartmouthwoman

    Smartmouthwoman Bless your heart Past Donor

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    Just trying to bring a little reality into your world of academia. Maybe you'll like this pic... no numbers.

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    I haven't heard Obama promise to change anything... have you?

    Maybe he just hasn't finished 'transforming' America. I bet we'll hear about all his NEW plans at the DNC next week.

    I can hardly wait.
     
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    At least we can agree on somethnig.
     
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    You make a good point. I cant help but think of her without some very negative thoughts. But she was, and is the ONLY reason I didnt vote for McCain.

    Also, I think i will be FAR worse off under Romney. Its a given fact based on his and Ryans economic plans that my taxes will go UP. Far more than they might under Obama.

    Every republican policy to help our economy focus's on 2 basic things.

    1.) eliminating expensive social safety nets. I will not ever get behind this plan.

    2.) raising taxes on the poor and middle class.

    Sorry, Not my cup of tea.
     
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    EXCUSE ME-this whole op is all about Smart mouth Woman saying "people are suffering" OBAMA should do more-How exactly can OBAMA do more without "SPENDING MONEY"
    I take umbrage at calling me or anyone for that matter a liar-you can disagree-fine-disagree-It is the Political Opinions Section of this forum-
    But,honestly---THINK-----PLEASE....
     

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