The lack of Math and Scientific Knowledge in Ultra-Religious.

Religious Zealots exist in every religion....Muslim, Christian, Jewish...etc.

What I find as disturbing is when such idiocy as Intelligent Design...and remember Intelligent Design is not what one thinks it to be as far as the books and movement which attempted...and failed miserably to get it's ideology taught in all schools....used false science and claimed it was scientific proof.

THAT....is the kind of Zealots promoting sheer idiocy and false claims that we need to be wary of.

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Math is how we describe and calculate Natural Physical Laws....as Math is intrinsic to Physics.

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Math is the interface between reality and comprehension. Math is intrinsic to the understandingof physics, but it has nothing at all to do with the physics that it defines. The sun is not composed of numbers.

 

Your "soul" is electricity. That's literally it. You don't perceive it that way, but that's what it is. Everything you see right now is electricity in your brain - it's energy.

Supernatural explanations for such things have no evidence to support them whereas scientific explanations do, ergo there is no reason to believe anything supernatural is going on.

I still don't see how this in any way would make my life any less fulfilling - I like knowing how I work, to be honest.

 

Nope. Your Soul is not electricity. It is a Pattern of Cause and Consequence. It is a set of Values, Morals, Motivations and Aspirations!

It CAN be stored in patterns of electricity in grey matter, in a person's head. But it is also Much, MUCH more than that!

You miss the point.

Your SOUL is not the information stored in your grey matter. It is the the pattern of cause and consequence that you create as you live your life, affecting those around you, in the HUMAN MEDIUM!

The patterns stored in your brain, in part, are responsible for your actions, which in turn, sets the pattern you make in society and the Human Medium, during your life, but it is also in response to your society and those close to you, and your times and its conflicts and challenges.

That Software, a person's SOUL, is projected out from them, in the Human Medium, based on your actions, morals, self-discipline, values....

Those actions, create ripples in the Human Medium, which project out from yourself, affecting many, and have reverberations which can have significant outcomes generations after your death, in some cases.

A person's soul isn't bound by the grey matter or electrical signals in their mind, it is the pattern of cause, consequence, motivation, and example that you paint into the Human Medium.

That Soul, has a way of replicating itself, if it is accord with the strange attractor, the pathway that is in keeping with the channels of success and achievement in the Human Medium.

If your Soul, and its effects are out of sync with the strange attractor of success and achievement in the Human Medium, it is destined to the Hell and Damnation of being eliminated by its own self-destructive patterning.

Old Souls pass on, to be re-born, time and again, in their cause and consequence leading to leadership and replication across the ages.

Evil Souls expire, because their ways are out-of-sync with what the Pattern deems as worthy.

Sure, these notions seem quaint in our modern world, but for most of human history, they have been, and will prove themselves again, soon, to be the truth UNDER and the Foundation behind, all of the discoveries in Science and Math.

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That "pattern", as you call it, your actions throughout your life, are movements of your body determined by....electrical signals. Your morals are electricity, your actions are initiated by electricity, your emotions are electricity, the "you" inside your body is literally nothing but electricity.

There also is no Hell. If you can provide proof of it's existence I shall look into it, but no one has ever produced any.

 

Oh, are we debating what is a soul now?

 

Their stupidity is what makes them religious zealots and zealots about everything else as well. It isn't the religion, that is the point.

Racist zealots arent good at math. Is it the racism that causes a lack of skills or the lack of a brain cause the racism?

Get what I mean yet? Simple people take simple positions. Analytical reasoning is required for math. Such people are not likely to be zealots, and are more likely to be nuanced.

Religion has nothing to do with it.

 

The pattern of electrical signals in your brain where put there by your early life experiences, the teachings of your parents and culture, and the troubles and challenges of your times.

The electrical signals in your grey matter are the re-incarnation of your Soul, its outcome, not its source.

The real source of storage of the Pattern, is in the Human Medium itself!

It does not need a singular person's grey matter to store it, it has all of Humanity in which to store that Soul.

It also has a broad breadth of time, person, place, cause and consequence!

A Soul is like a hologram, a small piece of it is contained in each and every human alive, and their actions and decisions.

A Soul can go dormant for a generation, or more, to re-emerge, when the times, the pattern, and the human medium and its pattern / experience require it.

That Soul wasn't continuously expressed in electrical patterns of someone's grey matter in the mean time, it was bouncing around, reflecting and refracting off of the rest of humanity, until the pattern required it again.

A Soul is information stored in the human medium collectively.

The ONLY way to destroy a soul, and/or all Souls, is to destroy all of humanity.

A super nova could do it, but the death of a Man/Woman could not.

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Except we can prove the electricity and energy exist, but there is no evidence of some non-physical "soul". So which is more likely?

 

Detroit. Now give me a hard one.

 

Yes! Absolutely, because lack of understanding as to what a Soul Really is, is why the OP fails completely!

 

Which why FAITH, and non-linear thinking, is such an important part of achievement and success in ANY human endeavor.

We did not put a man on the Moon by Science and Math alone. Behind the scenes, it was Souls, which made that achievement possible!

The OP cannot, WILL NOT, see it. Many others are not so blind!

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Faith, by definition, is the acceptance of something without evidence.

There is nothing to prove what you just claimed, so the reality-based explanation is left holding all the cards. I have no reason to think what you said is true.

 

Which is why so many, particularly those gifted in Science and Math, FAIL to achieve it!

It is also why they fail to achieve at their goals...

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There has always been tension between Creationists and Science. Hundreds of years go by and even though science declares victory after victory, headstrong creationists stick to their Bibles. This can be annoying when an issue hinges on an understanding of Mathematics and Science. These are two areas where, sometimes, there's a bridge too far to cross and meet common ground.

But, AboveAlpha knows so much math and science that what he considers to be average is also considered super talented for most people. Also, people tend to forget things that aren't used for years, so a lot of people are out of their league when conversing with AboveAlpha -- Who may in fact be a pod-person... I kid... maybe.

The big issue here is that some people get into your face telling you that everything you know or have experienced is a lie. Now, this may be a problem with the truly ignorant, bordering on Trollish posters, like if you're a science type posting in the Religious section... or vise versa... But, I've seen a lot of this attitude problem popping up right here in this topic, and not from just AboveAlpha either, guys (you know who you are), this is coming from every poster who I usually regard highly, and who I consider intelligent enough that they shouldn't make that mistake, or should at least realize their error a few posts in... Oh, no even I'm doing it now!!!

Point is: everyone should consider, maybe, they are in the wrong here, and this is all one big misunderstanding. Maybe we should go out and watch a comedy, or get some amusement in your life, or get some sleep before coming back here to post, post with a lighter heart...

 

The Lefties, and the Science types, are often scared to death that there might actually be something Greater, than their Science and Math.

Well, Reality doesn't give a damn!

The collective opinions of most of human history, are that there IS something greater than Math and Science, which persists after the death of a person. Are you really arrogant enough to think that you're are right, and all of them are wrong?

P.S. Just for the record, Despite my defense of Faith in this thread, I am NOT a Creationist, nor a Christian. I believe that we live in world with Pattern Guided and Encouraged Evolution.

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Actually the evidence is immediately available to every human being, but most of them spend their whole lives running away from it.

 

Uh, we've not been failing at anything. We understand more about the function of the universe than ever.

I don't see what faith gets me. It doesn't explain anything to me, it's wishful thinking.

 

I spent 3 years of my life working as a mission crew member of a experimental military R&D aircraft flight crew. Every time we boarded that aircraft, there was a significant hazard that we would die.

I boarded that aircraft many times.

I survived the first gulf war, and spent the next 12 years contributing to the success of our military by doing extremely dangerous R&D work in munitions development.

I was able to do that work because of my FAITH!

I knew that what I was doing was for the greater good of my family, my nation, and humanity as a whole!

Neil Armstrong faced far greater odds, and more unknowns than any other human in history. Read his memoirs! At least in part, he did so because of his FAITH.

You, and all the other people lacking Faith in America, are the benefactors of the achievements brought about by people of Faith all around you.

We seldom get recognition, and when we do, our faith is seldom attributed, but none-the-less, it is why you enjoy the freedoms and life-style you have.

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Anyone who things math describes love does not understand love and cannot therefore even begin to understand what we Christians are talking about.

Anyone whop tells you that he'she loves and then can telly you why hasn't described love but rather a positive response to a stimulous. REal love is complete in the existence of it's object and remains so no matter the behavior of that object.

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Anyone who things math describes love does not understand love and cannot therefore even begin to understand what we Christians are talking about.

Anyone whop tells you that he'she loves and then can telly you why hasn't described love but rather a positive response to a stimulous. REal love is complete in the existence of it's object and remains so no matter the behavior of that object.

 

He means anyone he knows who fits the bill that allows him to make the claim presented in the OP.

 

Collective opinions don't mean anything ever. Collective opinion once was that the world was flat.

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What evidence is there at all?

 

You claiming that faith made you not die doesn't prove anything.

You didn't die because you and the other crew and the people building the plane knew what they were doing and didn't screw anything up. There's no mystical stuff needed to determine that.

 

26.3 lbs, huh? Are you sure that isn't a made up number?

Looks like you forgot which number you made up.

 

No, you got it wrong.

I claim that I was able to function effectively, in the face of great hazard, because my FAITH gave me the confidence, despite all evidence to the contrary, that I would be preserved, because I was doing what was in keeping with the pattern, my SOUL, and what was in the greater interests of all.

Because of that FAITH, I did my job(s) very well.

Because of that FAITH, I continued to do my job, despite many around me quitting, giving up, being distracted with fear or dismay...

Imagine the courage it took Neil Armstrong to open the door to egress the lunar module...

Real people do such things based on FAITH, not science.

Hell, by the Science, the only SANE thing to do, is quit!

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