Tesla reveals Semi-Truck and new Sports Car

Not me I will always buy a damn pick up ICE motor and not some clown car

 

You won't have a choice.

Five years from now, virtually every car on the lot will be hybrid or elecrtric, including your expensive and wasteful toy.

 

That's what they said in the 1970s with electrics, that's what they said in the 1920s with kisk of food

 

And what oppressive regime will be in power to make people buy something they don't want? One more SCOTUS appointee from the President and your wet dream will be just that. I remember in the 70's a leftist prediction that the world would be covered in ice, how'd that work out?

 

Btw I know if a Democrat ever gets in charge again it will be by a mandate..

 

I forgot to add that's why I put my other pick up truck Chevy in the shop a few weeks ago for a new motor ..so I am good with my three pickup trucks to the day I die.

 

Gas milage standards will compel it, if the industry wants to continue to sell large vehicles. They will have to be considerably more efficient than they are now.

Most large passenger trucks get the same gas milage as the lead sleds of fifty years ago.

 

Well, now we know that you don't know what you're talking about.

The Volt and the Bolt are two entirely different vehicles, and both are for sale.

BTW, the Volt had the best customer satisfaction number of any Chevrolet product, including the Silverado.

Both are in the low to mid $30 K price range, which makes them quite competative with other cars in their price class. There is a hybrid/electric premium. But it is much smaller than it was.

 

Hmh. Where does all that electricity come from? Organic carrots?

 

I would definitely take the real Lotus with a gasoline engine, however.

 

The problem with EVs now is specific: the cost of purchase. While ultimately it may save money 3, 4, 5, 6 years down the road, if you figure inflation into this it may even be worse. Since the vast majority of people don't have an extra $1000, telling someone "In 5 years you will break even and then start coming out ahead" is not a viable sales pitch - particularly since people who can afford such an expensive car to begin with probably replaces there cars with a new one every 5 year or less. Finally, most people know they will get cheaper and more efficient in the future, so why buy one it takes 5 years to break even on when in 5 years it will be outdated?

 

Diesel powered semis can climb steep grades fully laden, depending on the truck model. Tesla acknowledges his electric semi will lose speed on steep grades.

The primary issue wiith EVs in the purchase price.

Prius owners almost have a religious loyalty to their cars, possible to justify driving one of the slowest accelerating cars made in the last half century having less than a 30-1 weight to horsepower ratio with passengers. I doubt they save money since they cost nearly $10,000 more than the lowest priced KIA. Maybe after 150,000 miles? But, if a person likes their car they do, for whatever reason.

 

Depending on the model, a Prius can take as long as 10 seconds to go from zero to sixty. Circumstantially, not safe for merging onto a highway. However, by my experience, most Prius drivers take about 20 seconds to go from zero to forty. Probably a 1 cylinder car would work for them.

 

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Both are compacts not midsize, Other cars in their price range are not compacts. Such as the Toyota tundra NIssan Pathfinder, and the Ford explorer for God's sake. All of which have a lower list value than a Bolt. About 6k less. Apparently they aren't selling well much outside Ca.

 

Nope won't ever recover the cost Difference since the price difference for the EV is more like ten grand and the Battery life is 7 years. By the time you finally start to break even you're looking at about 7 grand for a new battery.

 

How many people who buy gasoline powered cars worry about whether they will be outdated in five years (and they all will)?

A Chevrolet Bolt can be bought for just about the average cost of a new car sold in America now. You're assertion that these things are high priced boutique items is outdated.

Funny how you dismiss emerging technology out of one side of your mouth throughout most of the post and then turn right around and acknowledge that costs are coming down rapidly!!!!!

 

The List price for a bolt is 37,450 according to Motor trend and other places. It is a compact SUV. Other compact SUV sell for around 21k to 24k. For what a bolt costs I can put a lot of bells and whistle on a Ford explorer.

 

The reference was to the size of the 455 CI motor in the Stage II GS. Not the size of the car.

 

The range on the Cummins is limited. It is also a specific type of tool in the industry that has to be available to accommodate all of those super liberal cities sound regulations that clearly you seem unaware of. So, at 100 miles, the rage, for that market seems more than adequate. At the same time, the real difference is that the Cummins truck will actually see production, as opposed to the ephemeral promises of the Musk mobile.

The conversation was about the new Tesla sports car. The observation about the rest of Tesla's legion of quality issues was simply an acknowledgment that yes, they have them. Have you actually ever been in one? On the road? I have. It was noisy, rode like a wagon, and frankly wasn't up to even US standards for luxury vehicles. I was reminded though just how many folks bought Priuses because of the smug.

Honestly, I just don't get liberals. They line up and buy stuff like Teslas to demonstrate their "commitment" to their greenness, and forget that Tesla doesn't support any of their labor policies. They forget that getting "green" also comes with the cost of requiring so much additional power generation to support it, the cars themselves are superfund sites waiting to happen. The source materials that are required to realize their greenness dream are the very sources of conflict, war, oppression, or otherwise seriously immoral methods to deliver for them, their smug experience. At some point, the idea that when you buy a Tesla, you're supporting some of the planet's worst environmental practices, worst labor practices, and is perhaps completely devoid of any adherence to civil or human rights of those who must toil to produce the materials your smug requires, is incredibly hypocritical and flatly immoral.

 

No you couldn't. And you can't buy a Ford Explorer for $24K either.

 

Projecting your own prejudices and outdated perspective on other people is not a valid argument.

I am a bit smug about my Prius.

Why?

It isn't because I'm saving the world.

It's because of its incredible reliability, low operating costs, versatility (with seats folded flat, it has as much room in the back as most small SUV's), and its high resale value.

I was always a big car guy. My past includes a herd of Crown Vics, a Cadillac De Ville, and a Pontiac Bonneville. I miss the big car feel and ride.

On the other hand, the Prius delivers in all the key metrics that cars are measured on except acceleration, and snob appeal. It has proven to be a very practical, economical and reliable vehicle.

I really don't care about the Tesla sports car. It's a boutique product. It is clearly designed to continue the very successful campaign by Elon Musk to reposition the idea of the electric cars from being something for eccentrics and greenies to being a status symbol and something that points to the future.

Of course, the flat earth types didn't get it, but they're never the market for innovative products, anyway. They're usually the last to the party. A lot of them are still moaning about incandescent light bulbs (and buggy whips).

 

Well, I suppose that's one way to respond. Just ignore all of the problematic stuff, and focus on only the stuff that makes you feeeelllz.... funny stuff. Thanks.

 

No, because your problematic stuff is either episodic, or false.

Lithium ion batteries are almost always recycled, so the ranting about third world environmental and labor practices has no more validity to it than it would if you were talking about any other mass market battery powered device including the one you're typing on right now.

Your assertion that Cummins will build a product and Tesla won't has no validity either. It's strictly your opinion.

You brought the Cummins thing up in the first place, by trying to do a misleading comparison between two different products designed for two different markets.

I have been in Teslas, but not to drive. I know several owners, none of whom would echo your claims.

The rest of your diatribe is a reflection of your own prejudices.

I'm sure you'll be saying the exact same things five years from now, as you've probably been saying them for the last five.

The future isn't going to happen because it didn't arrive fully formed. That's the essence of your argument.

History makes a mockery of that idea every time.

 

Yes I can the list for an explorer same source is 31,950 That leaves around 5.5 grand to add option packages. By the way an explorer isn't a compact anything. It's huge.

 

Thanks for making my point, with figures, none the less! Oh, and with the Explorer, you get to pay four times as much to go the same distance, and it won't stay out of the shop as long either.