Tesla reveals Semi-Truck and new Sports Car

The country has at least 2000 years worth of coal to power the nation. Do you think it will really be ignored

 

When better solutions are at hand, yes.

 

First of all, there is no reason for anyone to have to stand by their vehicle while it is charging. Your position is ridiculous.

As for people in Minneapolis not being able to find charging stations, the answer is more charging stations. In the early days of the auto, finding gasoline was a hit and miss thing too, until the infrastructure to fuel cars was built.

Bravo for your Honda Civic. I have a Prius, which is seven years old and has never needed any kind of battery. And I go 1.7 miles for every mile you go.

Every time there is a thread on new technology, especially solar power or electric vehicles, we always have a chorus of right wingers who assume that everything will be like it once was and dismiss the contemporay shortcomings of existing alternative technologies. History has proved this attitude to be short ranged and backward looking time and time again.

Folks like you join the wise acres who yelled "get a horse" every time they saw a motorist broke down, the folks who said talking pictures were a fad, and who wondered what anyone would ever need a personal computer for.

You won't see the future in your rear view mirror, no matter how hard you wish.

And the industry has made the committment to electric and self driving cars now, so you can save your short sighted objections.

 

Yes people should remain by their cars when they are charging because if you are off having lunch or shopping while your car charges and you aren't back when its finished that means there are people in line waiting for you to stuff your ******* ******bag face. It is just rude.

If you think EV is the future you need a serious reality check. Have you ever even been to the Tesla forums. I have, lots of times because I love reading about how psychotic EV drivers are. They post suggestions about extending the range of your car by keeping to around 55 mph on the highway......ON THE FREAKING HIGHWAY. Only a Tesla owner would be ******* enough to decide to slow everyone else down so that they can extend their range on their stupid toy.

They plan their driving vacations, and yes some Tesla ******bags actually use their EVs for long distance driving, based not on what locations might be interesting to stop and visit along the way you know like normal people but on where the super charging stations are located.

The production of all of those batteries is extremely toxic for the environment, far more so than NG or even petroleum which has a much smaller footprint on the land than strip mining for zinc and other rare metals used in batteries. This will only get worse because the batteries in the EV use the same materials that the smartphones and every other electronice device uses. We will be stripmining entire nations similar to what has happened in CHina to try and keep up with the growing demand of portable devices and batteries and solar panels.

Like I said if you want to be conscious then get a small car with high mileage or a hybrid which will last longer. There is no way that any serious engineer or scientist will ever believe pure EVs are anything but a boondoggle and when you look at the entire chain of production actually end up being worse for the environment. My Honda Civic from production to scrapping will have a much smaller environment footprint than even your precious Prious. You can just google that yourself and see all the articles for Greencarreports and other environmental sites that will tell you the same thing.

 

Interesting consideration here, what impact the batteries could have on the environment. People are quick to suggest moving to electric cars without giving a thought to what those millions and millions of batteries could mean, both in terms of raw material mining and disposal.

It seems to me that biofuels make more sense, since the only carbon dioxide that is released by them is carbon dioxide that was already loose in the environment, and thus a part of the natural carbon cycle. We take that CO2 out of the environment when we grow the algae or plants, and release it again when we burn them as fuel. If we could do that and not take stored carbon out of the ground, then it seems to me like we would strike a healthy balance carbon-wise.

 

Biofuels from byproducts such as those produced in the natural production cycle like restaurants are good. Growing crops specifically for biofuels isn't though and my own uni UWM (GO PANTHERS!) just released a study indicating that ethanol could actually increase global warming because of all the CO2 emitted from growing and processing the crops. This sounds obvious on its face but it appears that some people need studies to point out the obvious to them. I remember when ethanol was being pushed by the environmentalists and anyone that brought up these now well published problems was poo pooed which is why I will never refer to myself as an environmentalist because that movement is nothing but a bunch of political hacks and people only interested in patting themselves on the back for pretending to care.

Even leaving out the CO2 if you google Sao Paulo Brazil it was the first city to have pollution monitors all over the city and they noticed increased air pollution every time they increased the amount to ethanol they used.

The algae one was good the problem is that the last article I read on it said they were nowhere near figuring out how to produce enough of it on a large enough scale to make an impact. If they ever figure that out though it would be pretty neat.

My personal favorite horse to back was hydrogen fueled cars with nuclear plants providing energy for the conversion process but alas there is no support for it and admittedly it does have some negatives as well but everything has a downside.

 

Ethanol does not seem all that efficient to me, given the large plant and all the care that it needs just to produce corn kernels, which are the only useful part for processing, if I'm not mistaken. Algae, on the other hand, is 100% useful or darned near it. I wonder why ethanol is even a thing at this point when we could be growing algae for fuel instead? Seems like a deal to try and help farmers and get political support and favors.

 

Also, algae produce actual "oil" not alchohol. I agree but the last article I read said they just couldn't produce it quickly enough and in large enough quantities. I hope they continue to look at it though. Perhaps they could figure out a way to harvest all the algae we get from the algae blooms that many lakes experience because of the agricultural run-off? We have lakes here in Wisconsin that turn solid pea soup green occasionally. Probably enough algae to power the world.

 

Should be able to fuel it human waste. Just think - all that waste people produce which needs to be pumped through treatment plants could be used to grow biofuel

 

Thank you for making my point.

You did exactly what I said you did. You dismissed the technology of the future because it isn't fully capable today. As I said, you made my point, classically, I might add.

I see Teslas every day, and I know a few owners.

And since lithium ion batteries are recyclable (as all batteries are) all that ranting about toxic waste is just that, ranting.

Oh, and one more thing. I'm not the only person who thinks electric cars are the future.

The entire auto industry does too.

 

They are looking for sales. On one hand people like you rip on automakers for making SUVs and accuse them of raping the environment for profit but if they make EVs all of a sudden they are altruistic saints. This is why no one takes environmentalists seriously anymore because you can't even make up your own minds on who and when to villify anyone.

You are completely ignorant on this topic. Just stop embarrassing yourself. Literall all on the first page of a 5 second google. You can also google studies from many universities on this subject that also point out these huge problems.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/business/batteries/graphite-mining-pollution-in-china/

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2012/aug/07/china-rare-earth-village-pollution

https://www.theverge.com/2014/3/20/...tteries-are-leading-to-polluted-rain-in-china

Jesus ****ing Christ already. Do some godamm googling of your own and learn something. Recycling batteries only replaces some of the materials for that specific battery removed from the consumption chain. It has absolutely no bearing on growing demand. More EV and more smartphones means more batteries. You can only recycle what you have already stripmined. Just stop it. Fake environmentalists like you just piss me off because in the end you don't give a **** and are only interested in your echo chamber of friends who tell you are thoughtful you are for getting a Prius. Its just obnoxious and conceited.

 

Tesla has no future. VW, Daimler, BMW made that clear.

Tesla was idiotic enough to buy german Grohmann Corporation to install their automation system. The german workers strike, Musk cant produce his car and his money laumdry scheme starts to shake.

 

Define electric cars ...

 

You noticed that also....

 

The Tesla semi would do that far better than a diesel truck, being it can put out 3 times as much horsepower. That's another of the selling points, 3 times the acceleration, and the ability to go up steep grades at 65 mph.

 

Again, you made my point.

Of course, you went on a Google search for things to confirm your pre existing notions. That is evident from the fact that you couldn't find anything less than three years old to cite.

You made a lot of assumptions in your response, and wrapped them all up in name calling.

I am not especially interested in environmentalism. Nor did I say a single word about SUV's. You put all those words in my mouth and then decided to argue with you own made up perception.

I bought a Prius because at the time, I was going to be putting a lot of miles on a car every year, and I wanted the lowest operating cost.

Gas milage, reliablility and resale value all pointed toward Prius. Stories that people believe about battery cost are a widely held myth. Mine have lasted 270,000 miles and show no sign of deterioration. The car still has the original spark plugs and is only now getting ready for only its second set of brakes.

There is a reason most of the cab drivers these days drive hybrids.

And Google all you want, the auto industry sees motors , not engines in its future.

 

80% of the semi fleet moves less than 250 miles a day, and then spends the night in the company yard. That's where they would recharge. No issues with lines or waiting, and plenty of extra grid power at night.

Nobody is saying the Tesla Semi or something similar could replace every semi. Just 80% of them.

 

That ability to go up steep grades fully laden at highway speeds is a big sell.

Musk is willing to warrant the Tesla truck to be one million miles trouble free. With electric motors instead of internal combustion engines, that's a real probability. That's a pie in the sky fantasy in the world of diesels, turbochargers and transmissions (all of which go away on a Tesla truck).

As for when they will replace the diesel semi, it's only a matter of time.

 

Just make sure you have the heater or A/C off

 

Huh? No they don't ..

 

You keep talking about your Prius which I already said isn't nearly as good as my Civic but is better than EVs. And as I have stated already I have less of a problem with Hybrids although I find many of them to be annoying hipsters who just bought Prius for the status symbol.

You haven't posted a single piece of evidence to contradict what I have posted. All you have done is post nonsensical talking points and rhetoric. Post me studies that claim there is no pollution problem in China because of the explosion of battery usage. Post me studies that show there is no problem with EV using power from electric grids that use fossil fuels such as coal for power. You can't even understand the extremely basic college 101 level of how recycling works in production and consumption chains. That alone disqualifies you form discussing this any further.

You want me to support batteries then find more organic components that don't involve REEs, graphite, zinc and other toxic metals, find a way to reduce the charge times to a fraction of what they are now without involving the batteries becoming highly volatile as is the current case with quick charge batteries today and then come and wake me up when most of our electricity is produce by nuclear or other non fossil fuel sources. We are nowhere near any of those milestones not even close. I have no problems with them continuing to explore the technology but anyone that supports expanding EVs to become a significant portion of the automobile market literally is a ****ing moron and apparently really does want to destroy the planet.

So as an educated well informed person who actually reads ****ing studies on this subject I can most assuredly say that I am in the right and you are just hanging onto the coattails of whatever emails your friends send you. I have a Honda Civic because I actually researched what was one of the most environmentally friendly cars. You have Prius because you wanted everyone to pat you on the back and feel good about yourself. About the only nice thing I can say is at least you didn't go out and buy an all out EV becuase then you would responsible for significantly more pollution than my car. At least the Prius is closer.

 

I recommend anyone who gets upset about electric vehicles do not get one.

 

Yet if a Democrat ever gets in charge again, their would be a mandate to buy one ..

 

How about stop spending my ****ing tax money on subsidies for those shitty things and then I won't be pissed off so much. The government ONCE AGAIN is backing something that is literally harming the planet. We didn't learn from ethanol subsidies and now we have EV subsidies despite the overwhelming and ever growing evidence against them so I have very little hope for the future.

 

That would be unconstitutional, stupid and impossible...do you think before typing?